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Re: Trump 2020, the Pandemic, and its Weaponization
Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 11:16 am
by zsn
HouseDivided wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:35 am
zsn wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 5:12 pm
I don't know, Psych.....I don't know how much evil one can get than allowing 100,000 people to die on your watch - at least a substantial portion avoidable
The POTUS
allowed people to die? Seriously?!? I didn't realize that one was endowed with supernatural powers upon taking the oath of office.
Yes, allowed. I chose my words carefully. The supernatural powers that the POTUS has upon taking the oath of office is the ability to utilize the power behind the wealthiest country on earth and all the associated expertise to prevent unnecessary deaths. And he played golf and held rallies minimizing and denying the magnitude of the problem facing the country and the world. Commission by omission. I didn't expect no deaths, but not this many.
And, what seahawk said. We were too stupid, and still are, to learn from what we see elsewhere in the world. How is it that infections and deaths are rising in many places in the country four months AFTER we realized there is a pandemic??
Re: Trump 2020, the Pandemic, and its Weaponization
Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 11:49 am
by seahawk
Re: Trump 2020, the Pandemic, and its Weaponization
Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 12:01 pm
by HouseDivided
zsn wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 11:16 am
HouseDivided wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:35 am
zsn wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 5:12 pm
I don't know, Psych.....I don't know how much evil one can get than allowing 100,000 people to die on your watch - at least a substantial portion avoidable
The POTUS
allowed people to die? Seriously?!? I didn't realize that one was endowed with supernatural powers upon taking the oath of office.
Yes, allowed. I chose my words carefully. The supernatural powers that the POTUS has upon taking the oath of office is the ability to utilize the power behind the wealthiest country on earth and all the associated expertise to prevent unnecessary deaths. And he played golf and held rallies minimizing and denying the magnitude of the problem facing the country and the world. Commission by omission. I didn't expect no deaths, but not this many.
And, what seahawk said. We were too stupid, and still are, to learn from what we see elsewhere in the world. How is it that infections and deaths are rising in many places in the country four months AFTER we realized there is a pandemic??
So, is he responsible for all 100,000? What percentage? How do you know?
Re: Trump 2020, the Pandemic, and its Weaponization
Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 12:52 pm
by Geezer
Pretend not to be an asshole psych.
Re: Trump 2020, the Pandemic, and its Weaponization
Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 2:22 pm
by HouseDivided
Geezer wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 12:52 pm
Pretend not to be an asshole psych.
Pretend to be a reasonable, rational human being. You can’t make sweeping statements like “Trump is responsible for 100,000 deaths” and not expect to be challenged. It is an absurd statement.
Re: Trump 2020, the Pandemic, and its Weaponization
Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 2:42 pm
by Geezer
I don't know, Psych.....I don't know how much evil one can get than allowing 100,000 people to die on your watch - at least a substantial portion avoidable
Re: Trump 2020, the Pandemic, and its Weaponization
Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 2:57 pm
by HouseDivided
Geezer wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 2:42 pm
I don't know, Psych.....I don't know how much evil one can get than allowing 100,000 people to die on your watch - at least a substantial portion avoidable
Again, I don't buy your premise.
Re: Trump 2020, the Pandemic, and its Weaponization
Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 3:26 pm
by Deleted User 89
if one person’s life was saved, or one person’s job not lost, due to trump doing anything more than he did or has done, wouldn’t it be worth it?
Re: Trump 2020, the Pandemic, and its Weaponization
Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 3:36 pm
by Shirley
Re: Trump 2020, the Pandemic, and its Weaponization
Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 3:50 pm
by zsn
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:26 pm
if one person’s life was saved, or one person’s job not lost, due to trump doing anything more than he did or has done, wouldn’t it be worth it?
Exactly. HD just proved that reading comprehension isn’t one of his strengths either. Me, twice, and Geezer pointed out that my statement was not as absolute as he attributes.
Admittedly I don’t know what percentage of the 100,000 (and growing) deaths could have been prevented. However, at least a substantial portion (> 1) was preventable, as you point out. So much for being prolife
Re: Trump 2020, the Pandemic, and its Weaponization
Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 3:54 pm
by seahawk
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:26 pm
if one person’s life was saved, or one person’s job not lost, due to trump doing anything more than he did or has done, wouldn’t it be worth it?
On the morning shows, they said the estimates are that 34,000 lives would have been saved if Trump had simply acted one week sooner. But, listening to him talking about how he'd personally created the best economy ever in the world before the pandemic hit, we can tell why he was reluctant to say anything.
But as for supernatural, Trump does seem to engage in "magical thinking" as he did when he told everyone numerous times that this would all go away.
Re: Trump 2020, the Pandemic, and its Weaponization
Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 4:02 pm
by HouseDivided
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:26 pm
if one person’s life was saved, or one person’s job not lost, due to trump doing anything more than he did or has done, wouldn’t it be worth it?
My question is how you assign blame or credit. By Geezer's logic, the people who committed suicide because of the economic and social impact of the shutdown in Kansas would be the fault of Governor Larry Kelly. I'm guessing you wouldn't be okay with that premise either.
Re: Trump 2020, the Pandemic, and its Weaponization
Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 4:03 pm
by zsn
HouseDivided wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 2:22 pm
Geezer wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 12:52 pm
Pretend not to be an asshole psych.
Pretend to be a reasonable, rational human being. You can’t make sweeping statements like “Trump is responsible for 100,000 deaths” and not expect to be challenged. It is an absurd statement.
Where did I say that? Here’s what I did say: “I didn't expect no deaths, but not this many.”
You read into it not what I said but what you wish I had said to fit your grievance-agenda
Re: Trump 2020, the Pandemic, and its Weaponization
Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 4:06 pm
by HouseDivided
zsn wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 4:03 pm
HouseDivided wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 2:22 pm
Geezer wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 12:52 pm
Pretend not to be an asshole psych.
Pretend to be a reasonable, rational human being. You can’t make sweeping statements like “Trump is responsible for 100,000 deaths” and not expect to be challenged. It is an absurd statement.
Where did I say that? Here’s what I did say: “I didn't expect no deaths, but not this many.”
You read into it not what I said but what you wish I had said to fit your grievance-agenda
Logically, if a government official is responsible for the prevention of one death, then he/she is responsible for them all unless you have some systematized method of determining exactly how many. I'm not the one with the grievance agenda. And I was responding to Geezer's statement.
Re: Trump 2020, the Pandemic, and its Weaponization
Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 4:13 pm
by Geezer
It's zsn's statement that you misinterpreted, I asked you to pretend not to be an asshole. You were unable to do either.
Re: Trump 2020, the Pandemic, and its Weaponization
Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 4:15 pm
by Deleted User 89
HouseDivided wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 4:06 pmI'm not the one with the grievance agenda.
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Re: Trump 2020, the Pandemic, and its Weaponization
Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 4:16 pm
by HouseDivided
Geezer wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 4:13 pm
It's zsn's statement that you misinterpreted, I asked you to pretend not to be an asshole. You were unable to do either.
I'm sorry you feel that way. I still disagree.
Re: Trump 2020, the Pandemic, and its Weaponization
Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 4:27 pm
by Shirley
Re: Trump 2020, the Pandemic, and its Weaponization
Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 4:28 pm
by seahawk
Study finds earlier coronavirus restrictions in US could have saved 36,000 lives.
Disease modelers at Columbia University said in a study released Wednesday that 61.6% of deaths and 55% of infections nationwide could have been avoided if preventative measures in place on March 15 had been enacted a week earlier. That equates to about 35,927 deaths and 703,975 cases.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/study-f ... d=70808611
Re: Trump 2020, the Pandemic, and its Weaponization
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:57 am
by sdoyel
