Kansas Crimson

vega wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:03 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:59 pm at least in Kansas, it’s also illegal to drive with a cracked windshield because it can obscure your view

i’ve been cited for it, but have never heard of anyone else having issues

Shit, I was driving with light up dice hanging from my rearview and a cracked windshield for 2-3 years from high school starting KU. I didn't know either was a law until recently. Definitely never got harassed for either.

i got pulled over on K10/435, right around Metcalf...maybe 10 years ago or so

was shocked (and never did end up replacing the windshield...just got rid of the car)

Lol, I was such a shitty citizen when I lived in Kansas, and always got the good ole boy treatment. I let my plates and license expire, for like a year, and got pulled over (rightly) for expired tags, and the cop just let me go with a warning. Still waited like a month or two to renew. Got pulled over for speeding a few times, and was let off with a warning. Got pulled me over for taillight being out (blown fuse) at like 2-3 am, and cop gave me a ticket. Then the cop pulled over again, and ripped up the ticket (we fixed the car together). Got a ticket first time I was speeding, and the last time I got pulled over speeding, and that's it. And the last time I had way expired license and got let off with a warning.

Then of course when I moved to NYC, I finished unloading my car when I moved in, the first day living in the city, I made an illegal uturn (didn't realize it was one, where I live it looks like a left, but the cop said it's technically a UTurn. I see people pulled over there all the time, so it's obviously a trap. Regardless, got two tickets a couple of hours after moving to NYC.

NYT says a judge issued a warrant for Wright for failure to appear, after he missed a date over two misdemeanor charges about carrying a pistol without a permit and ran from cops last June.

He failed to appear, apparently, cuz the court summons was sent to the wrong address

Sadly, not surprised at all.

a 20+ year veteran doesn’t know which “tool” she’s pulling from her belt, and can’t feel the difference between a taser and a pistol (assuming the pistol is notably heavier, but i honestly don’t know)

now a report that the cop who shot Wright also helped hide evidence for two cops in her department who shot an autistic man in 2019?

I'm guessing she can/should be charged with involuntary manslaughter.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:31 am a 20+ year veteran doesn’t know which “tool” she’s pulling from her belt, and can’t feel the difference between a taser and a pistol (assuming the pistol is notably heavier, but i honestly don’t know)

For the of discussing it, let’s just say it was an honest mistake.

So how do we reform policing to the point “honest mistakes” don’t leave people dead?

If I make a mistake at work, maybe yall don’t get that early checkin after all.

But when cops make mistakes, people are killed?

Much of it is accountability, I think. If I screw up an early checkin, I’m getting chewed out about it, from the guests, and also from my 8 bosses, Bob.

But in this case, a cop actually getting fired is the rare exception. Usually she would just get a couple weeks of desk duty, or paid “administrative leave.”

Maybe if more cops are fired and even prosecuted instead of just getting paid time off, they’d be more care about not making mistakes?

(Though to be fair, not getting early checkin really is grounds for a justifiable homicide...just ask any tourist!)

I don't think you can charge here.

Civil suits, job loss, national conversations about policing and race? Absolutely.

Would any other member of society be able to avoid charges by saying, “oops sorry just got my weapons mixed up?”

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:40 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:31 am a 20+ year veteran doesn’t know which “tool” she’s pulling from her belt, and can’t feel the difference between a taser and a pistol (assuming the pistol is notably heavier, but i honestly don’t know)

For the of discussing it, let’s just say it was an honest mistake.

So how do we reform policing to the point “honest mistakes” don’t leave people dead?

If I make a mistake at work, maybe yall don’t get that early checkin after all.

But when cops make mistakes, people are killed?

Much of it is accountability, I think. If I screw up an early checkin, I’m getting chewed out about it, from the guests, and also from my 8 bosses, Bob.

But in this case, a cop actually getting fired is the rare exception. Usually she would just get a couple weeks of desk duty, or paid “administrative leave.”

Maybe if more cops are fired and even prosecuted instead of just getting paid time off, they’d be more care about not making mistakes?

(Though to be fair, not getting early checkin really is grounds for a justifiable homicide...just ask any tourist!)

not only is getting fired rare, but when they do get fired, they can often just go right up the road and get hired by a different outfit

u of u officer shared pics of a university coed that was murdered by a stalker, and was subsequently let go by the u. within months he was hired by a department in a nearby community

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:00 am Would any other member of society be able to avoid charges by saying, “oops sorry just got my weapons mixed up?”

I think that is pretty irrelevant, at least when discussing criminal charges. But, it is possible (military?), especially if substituting "tools" for "weapons."

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:49 am I don't think you can charge here.

Civil suits, job loss, national conversations about policing and race? Absolutely.

Qualified Immunity ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Put cops' house on the line whenever a traffic stop is made, I think you stop seeing a lot of pointless stops or encounters.

vega wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:05 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:49 am I don't think you can charge here.

Civil suits, job loss, national conversations about policing and race? Absolutely.

Qualified Immunity ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Put cops' house on the line whenever a traffic stop is made, I think you stop seeing a lot of pointless stops or encounters.

on this subject...it should be at least against policy to pull someone over for having air fresheners hanging from their mirror (or similar bs). they can be cited for it if they’re pulled for something more egregious, but to use those minor excuses to pull people over in such subjective ways is ripe for abuse.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:04 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:40 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:31 am a 20+ year veteran doesn’t know which “tool” she’s pulling from her belt, and can’t feel the difference between a taser and a pistol (assuming the pistol is notably heavier, but i honestly don’t know)

For the of discussing it, let’s just say it was an honest mistake.

So how do we reform policing to the point “honest mistakes” don’t leave people dead?

If I make a mistake at work, maybe yall don’t get that early checkin after all.

But when cops make mistakes, people are killed?

Much of it is accountability, I think. If I screw up an early checkin, I’m getting chewed out about it, from the guests, and also from my 8 bosses, Bob.

But in this case, a cop actually getting fired is the rare exception. Usually she would just get a couple weeks of desk duty, or paid “administrative leave.”

Maybe if more cops are fired and even prosecuted instead of just getting paid time off, they’d be more care about not making mistakes?

(Though to be fair, not getting early checkin really is grounds for a justifiable homicide...just ask any tourist!)

not only is getting fired rare, but when they do get fired, they can often just go right up the road and get hired by a different outfit

u of u officer shared pics of a university coed that was murdered by a stalker, and was subsequently let go by the u. within months he was hired by a department in a nearby community

I wonder if the best outcome, least amount of death/destruction-wise, would be if the PO just makes a public statement and resigns from policing forever. People, understandably, get pretty upset when the typical paid-leave, severance, new police job, etc. start happening.

vega wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:05 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:49 am I don't think you can charge here.

Civil suits, job loss, national conversations about policing and race? Absolutely.

Qualified Immunity ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Put cops' house on the line whenever a traffic stop is made, I think you stop seeing a lot of pointless stops or encounters.

They likely fight with QI, but this highly publicized, with video, can change things. Plus, I think they'd have a long conversation about how much they want to fight this highly publicized case considering QI is becoming increasingly attacked from all sides of the political spectrum--I'm not sure where the 8th Circuit would land on it.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:08 am

vega wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:05 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:49 am I don't think you can charge here.

Civil suits, job loss, national conversations about policing and race? Absolutely.

Qualified Immunity ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Put cops' house on the line whenever a traffic stop is made, I think you stop seeing a lot of pointless stops or encounters.

on this subject...it should be at least against policy to pull someone over for having air fresheners hanging from their mirror (or similar bs). they can be cited for it if they’re pulled for something more egregious, but to use those minor excuses to pull people over in such subjective ways is ripe for abuse.

As I said before, those citizens need to take it to the courts, or to the legislature. That's just the law. The cops are hired to enforce the laws.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:08 am

vega wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:05 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:49 am I don't think you can charge here.

Civil suits, job loss, national conversations about policing and race? Absolutely.

Qualified Immunity ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Put cops' house on the line whenever a traffic stop is made, I think you stop seeing a lot of pointless stops or encounters.

on this subject...it should be at least against policy to pull someone over for having air fresheners hanging from their mirror (or similar bs). they can be cited for it if they’re pulled for something more egregious, but to use those minor excuses to pull people over in such subjective ways is ripe for abuse.

Are police even the right outfit to patrol traffic? I see merit on both sides of that question.