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Re: Transfer portal 2022
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:31 am
by pdub
That's also what I was thinking as a possibility.
Re: Transfer portal 2022
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:36 am
by twocoach
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:29 am
It's within the realm of possibility that the NCAA and Self/KU could come to a joint agreement.
IF that were to happen, the lawyers and parties would know if settlement was imminent.
That would shock me. Self and his lawyers have put out the "I will fight any suspension" vibe since the beginning of this. But maybe the IARP is putting out a reasonable enough punishment that they are considering it, I don't know.
Re: Transfer portal 2022
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:42 am
by CrimsonNBlue
twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:36 am
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:29 am
It's within the realm of possibility that the NCAA and Self/KU could come to a joint agreement.
IF that were to happen, the lawyers and parties would know if settlement was imminent.
That would shock me. Self and his lawyers have put out the "I will fight any suspension" vibe since the beginning of this. But maybe the IARP is putting out a reasonable enough punishment that they are considering it, I don't know.
I don't know what is going on, but I do think that there are many scenarios where a one-year postseason ban is a deal that they might want to take and run with.
There is almost no precedent here and the IARP authority is very broad. At some point fighting for months or years in federal court over a 2-year show cause might be worse punishment than just taking a short suspension and getting it over with now that it keeps dragging out.
Re: Transfer portal 2022
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:56 am
by jfish26
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:42 am
twocoach wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:36 am
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:29 am
It's within the realm of possibility that the NCAA and Self/KU could come to a joint agreement.
IF that were to happen, the lawyers and parties would know if settlement was imminent.
That would shock me. Self and his lawyers have put out the "I will fight any suspension" vibe since the beginning of this. But maybe the IARP is putting out a reasonable enough punishment that they are considering it, I don't know.
I don't know what is going on, but I do think that there are many scenarios where a one-year postseason ban is a deal that they might want to take and run with.
There is almost no precedent here and the IARP authority is very broad. At some point fighting for months or years in federal court over a 2-year show cause might be worse punishment than just taking a short suspension and getting it over with now that it keeps dragging out.
Of course, the official line is that there is no such thing as a negotiated settlement once something is with the IARP.
Mmhmm.
Re: Transfer portal 2022
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:09 am
by MICHHAWK
for me, post season ban is a worst case scenario.
i am very eager for this episode to be over.
Re: Transfer portal 2022
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:20 am
by TDub
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:56 am
I said nothing about 200 days. I said 200 hours per year at that level of compensation.
And the 2 players in my actual real life example are the equivalent of Lightfoot and Teahan. Not even the stars of the team, those guys cost more I would imagine.
Of course the market is different at each school and for different level of players.
How much do you think the KU guys got paid to work at Raisin' Canes the other day? My guess is a lot more than any of the actual employees made that day.
There is good money in NIL.
rumor is $15k each for Jalen and Braun for that work
Re: Transfer portal 2022
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:22 am
by CrimsonNBlue
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:09 amfor me, post season ban is a worst case scenario.
If Bill could sacrifice himself for a tournament or a season to save the 2018 Final Four banner, it woudl be admirable, but I also think he should do it.
Bill is the best coach we've had here, but he's still not bigger than the KANSAS program.
Re: Transfer portal 2022
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:28 am
by MICHHAWK
given the choice, i would select a ban for HCBS. a year. whatever they want.
a post season ban for the team is my worst case scenario.
what did osu do to get the 1 year post season ban?
Re: Transfer portal 2022
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:29 am
by MICHHAWK
TDub wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:20 am
rumor is $15k each for Jalen and Braun for that work
CB was paid $15,000.00 by a fast food restaurant to do what? and for how long did he do it?
Re: Transfer portal 2022
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:33 am
by jfish26
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:29 am
TDub wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:20 am
rumor is $15k each for Jalen and Braun for that work
CB was paid $15,000.00 by a fast food restaurant
to do what? and for how long did he do it?
Tell me you are out of touch, without saying you're out of touch.
Re: Transfer portal 2022
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:33 am
by NDballer13
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:28 am
what did osu do to get the 1 year post season ban?
Had one of the coaches that actually did jail time.
Compared to NCAA's smoking gun of "we good?".
Re: Transfer portal 2022
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:35 am
by CrimsonNBlue
Oklahoma State case is worse in that one of their coaches directly took bribes. But that was not IARP.
The only FBI-related case that has been adjudicated through IARP is NC State: no postseason ban but vacated wins where Dennis Smith played and show cause orders for the head coach and an assistant.
Re: Transfer portal 2022
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:37 am
by CrimsonNBlue
NDballer13 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:33 am
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:28 am
what did osu do to get the 1 year post season ban?
Had one of the coaches that actually did jail time.
Compared to NCAA's smoking gun of "we good?".
Yes. The NC State case was worse than ours, too.
And, KT texts are not even a smoking gun.
Re: Transfer portal 2022
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:39 am
by MICHHAWK
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:35 am
The only FBI-related case that has been adjudicated through IARP is NC State: no postseason ban but vacated wins where Dennis Smith played and show cause orders for the head coach and an assistant.
i can live with that.
i fully expect to vacate wins. i fully expect big penalties for the coaching staff.
i'll take that deal right now.
Re: Transfer portal 2022
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:40 am
by CrimsonNBlue
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:39 am
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:35 am
The only FBI-related case that has been adjudicated through IARP is NC State: no postseason ban but vacated wins where Dennis Smith played and show cause orders for the head coach and an assistant.
i can live with that.
i fully expect to vacate wins. i fully expect big penalties for the coaching staff.
i'll take that deal right now.
Fuck that.
Taking the Final Four banner down and dealing with a show cause for Self is way worse than Self just sitting for a season.
Re: Transfer portal 2022
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:43 am
by MICHHAWK
what is a "show cause for HCBS?" what would that mean? and how is that worse than HCBS sitting for the entire upcoming?
i don't know what "show cause" means.
Re: Transfer portal 2022
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:46 am
by KUTradition
google is your friend
Re: Transfer portal 2022
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:48 am
by Cascadia
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:43 am
what is a "show cause for HCBS?" what would that mean? and how is that worse than HCBS sitting for the entire upcoming?
i don't know what "show cause" means.
This surprises no one
Re: Transfer portal 2022
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:48 am
by CrimsonNBlue
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:43 ami don't know what "show cause" means.
Yet you will "take that deal right now"?
Re: Transfer portal 2022
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:48 am
by NewtonHawk11
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:22 am
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:09 amfor me, post season ban is a worst case scenario.
If Bill could sacrifice himself for a tournament or a season to save the 2018 Final Four banner, it woudl be admirable, but I also think he should do it.
Bill is the best coach we've had here, but he's still not bigger than the KANSAS program.
I see what you did here.