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Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:17 am
by jfish26
KUTradition wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:07 am Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) resigned from Congress just before the House Ethics Committee was set to hold a potentially pivotal meeting on its investigation into the Florida congressman…

i haven’t checked today, but i presume the trump transition team has still yet to submit all the necessary ethics declarations that are supposedly required by law
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They're just not gonna do it.

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:48 am
by japhy
Why would they? They don't believe in norms or ethics. Make a statement early.

Fuck you, what are you gonna do about it?

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:58 am
by KUTradition
if the gov’t was hiding the “truth” about aliens, it seems to me trump woulda been the one to pull the curtain back

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:08 am
by jfish26
KUTradition wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:58 am if the gov’t was hiding the “truth” about aliens, it seems to me trump woulda been the one to pull the curtain back
Not until someone presents him the evidence in pictorial form.

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:50 am
by twocoach
Just wait until all these patriotic former military members have their benefits slashed.

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:56 am
by KUTradition
twocoach wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:50 am Just wait until all these patriotic former military members have their benefits slashed.
even better, any of the “too woke” brass currently in the military that are shown the door in the not-too-distant-future

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:01 am
by jfish26
While Trump is claiming a mandate to do as he wishes with the government, Republicans interested in their own political future are likely noting that he actually won the election by a smaller margin than President Joe Biden won in 2020, despite a global rejection of incumbents this year. And he won not by picking up large numbers of new voters—it appears he lost voters—but because Democratic voters of color dropped out, perhaps reflecting the new voter suppression laws put into place since 2021.

Then, too, Trump remains old and mentally slipping, and he is increasingly isolated as people fight over the power he has brought within their grasp. Today his wife, Melania, declined the traditional invitation from First Lady Jill Biden for tea at the White House and suggested she will not be returning to the presidential mansion with her husband. It is not clear either that Trump will be able to control the scrabbling for power over the party by those he has brought into the executive branch, or that he has much to offer elected Republicans who no longer need his voters, suggesting that Congress could reassert its power.

Falling into line behind Trump at this point is not necessarily a good move for a Republican interested in a future political career.

Today the Republicans are projected to take control of the House of Representatives, giving the party control of the House, the Senate, and the presidency, as well as the Supreme Court. But as the downballot races last week show, MAGA policies remain unpopular, and the Republican margin in the House will be small. In the last Congress, MAGA loyalists were unable to get the votes they needed from other Republicans to impose Trump’s culture war policies, creating gridlock and a deeply divided Republican conference.

The gulf between Trump’s promises to slash the government and voters’ actual support for government programs is not going to make the Republicans’ job easier. Conservative pundit George Will wrote today that “the world’s richest person is about to receive a free public education,” suggesting Elon Musk, who has emerged as the shadow president, will find his plans to cut the government difficult to enact as elected officials reject cuts to programs their constituents like.

Musk’s vow to cut “at least” $2 trillion from federal spending, Will notes, will run up against reality in a hurry. Of the $6.75 trillion fiscal 2024 spending, debt service makes up 13.1%; defense—which Trump wants to increase—is 12.9%. Entitlements, primarily Social Security and Medicare, account for 34.6%, and while the Republican Study Group has called for cuts to them, Trump said during the campaign, at least, that they would not be cut.

So Musk has said he would cut about 30% of the total budget from about 40% of it. Will points out that Trump is hardly the first president to vow dramatic cuts. Notably, Ronald Reagan appointed J. Peter Grace, an entrepreneur, to make government “more responsive to the wishes of the people” after voters had elected Reagan on a platform of cutting government. Grace’s commission made 2,478 recommendations but quickly found that every lawmaker liked cuts to someone else’s district but not their own.

Will notes that a possible outcome of the Trump chaos might be to check the modern movement toward executive power, inducing Congress to recapture some of the power it has ceded to the president in order to restore the stability businessmen prefer.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt was himself a wealthy man, and in the 1930s he tried to explain to angry critics on the right that his efforts to address the nation’s inequalities were not an attack on American capitalism, but rather an attempt to save it from the communism or fascism that would destroy the rule of law.

“I want to save our system, the capitalistic system,” FDR wrote to a friend in 1935. “[T]o save it is to give some heed to world thought of today.”
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.c ... er-13-2024

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:28 am
by twocoach
Trump wants to sidestep the Constitution and use "recess appointments" to get his Cabinet appointed without Congressional approval. That step is supposed to be a critical step in preventing unqualified security risks from being appointed to Cabinet positions.

Gee, who would have seen that coming?

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:46 am
by TDub
Europe is supposedly actively and vocally pulling back from alignment with the US and promoting Europe forward as a counter measure to "America first".

Not sure I love this timeline.

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:58 am
by MICHHAWK
europe is going to pull off the teet. i don't think so.

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:24 am
by jfish26
TDub wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:46 am Europe is supposedly actively and vocally pulling back from alignment with the US and promoting Europe forward as a counter measure to "America first".

Not sure I love this timeline.
What else should they do? Why would anyone have confidence in us, to NOT go batshit crazy, for a very long time?

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:35 am
by japhy
twocoach wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:50 am Just wait until all these patriotic former military members have their benefits slashed.
My BIL is a full bird colonel, retired. He voted trumpty plumpty for his 401K. He and my sister both work for the DOD. Her supervisors both announced they are retiring and taking their pensions end of year. My sister voted Harris cuz she saw the writing on the wall for their finances, my BIL may be on the verge of the FO phase of FAFO. Suddenly cruising into retirement in 2 years, is looking more like a lifestyle restructuring.

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:41 am
by MICHHAWK
every country's gov't should put their citizens first.

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:50 am
by jfish26
MICHHAWK wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:41 am every country's gov't should put their citizens first.
You have no conception of what would/will be lost by us losing our status as the top dog on the world stage.

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:50 am
by twocoach
MICHHAWK wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:41 am every country's gov't should put their citizens first.
Last I checked, retired military are also citizens.

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:53 am
by MICHHAWK
maybe not.

but i also know that is not going to happen. so i can be casual about it.

who is going to take our spot. canada. germany. italy. new zealand. equador. i hear france is up and coming.

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 12:01 pm
by BiggDick
jfish26 wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:50 am
MICHHAWK wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:41 am every country's gov't should put their citizens first.
You have no conception of what would/will be lost by us losing our status as the top dog on the world stage.
dangit!

I know I said I'd quit, but...I mean...



so instead, let me just say, if you don't like me on the pols bored, either:

1. dEaL WiTh It!!!!!

2. deal with by simply putting me on ignore, which is really is a reasonable solution here, and if you refuse to ignore, you're being UNreasonable.

besides, this is more a follow-up to the same question I asked another poster but never got a response anyway, so we're mostly just tying up a looose end here anyway, when I ask:

what would be lost by us loosing our status as the top dog on the world stage?

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 12:10 pm
by KUTradition
you’re such a fucking child

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 12:14 pm
by BiggDick
have you considered ignoring me, as has been repeatedly suggested, or otherwise just dealing with it?

Cuz from my point of view, refusing to do so to instead chase me around calling me names - that is not exactly a mature way to behave.

Re: trump’s promises

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 12:15 pm
by KUTradition
you could always ignore me

not only childish, but a hypocrite to boot!

good job!