Kansas Crimson

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:14 am Most people die in old age homes and hospitals. We should ban those.

But where would we get presidential candidates from then?

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:20 am teachers used to teach reading, riting, rithmetic. you know, the 3 r's.

You sound like my Soviet in-laws.

I've had arguments with them about this. In the USSR school very strictly stuck to those topics. American kids get a more holistic education. Compare the two cultures in terms of ethics, honesty, and whatever the opposite of bigotry is. Given the results I think the holistic approach is far superior.

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:26 am

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:20 am teachers used to teach reading, riting, rithmetic. you know, the 3 r's.

You sound like my Soviet in-laws.

I've had arguments with them about this. In the USSR school very strictly stuck to those topics. American kids get a more holistic education. Compare the two cultures in terms of ethics, honesty, and whatever the opposite of bigotry is. Given the results I think the holistic approach is far superior.

Using the example of modern day Republicans, who are products of the ostensibly holistic education, I wouldn’t be so cavalier about proclaiming superiority of said approach. Using these subjects as examples, and including those who elected them, would lead one to the conclusion that the US education system is nothing but an abject failure.

give me your really scaled down definition of a "holistic education" please. so i know where you are coming from.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:35 am give me your really scaled down definition of a "holistic education" please. so i know where you are coming from.

Our schools teach sharing, accepting people for who they are, honesty, ethics... At least they did when I was in school and at my second-grader's school.

I too am curious whether it’s possible to measure the ethics, honesty, and lack of bigotry between nations and economies and cultures.

I’ve heard at least one radical leftist point to things about how racial and ethnic divides seem to decline as economic equality increases.

But I would take anything a radical leftist says with a grain of salt, considering he was stating these things in between rounds of BLM looting.

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:55 am

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:35 am give me your really scaled down definition of a "holistic education" please. so i know where you are coming from.

Our schools teach sharing, accepting people for who they are, honesty, ethics... At least they did when I was in school and at my second-grader's school.

Accepting people for who we are…but I thought CRT wuznt allowed in schools?!

And schools teaching “sharing”

In our winner take all capitalist system

lulz

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:59 am I too am curious whether it’s possible to measure the ethics, honesty, and lack of bigotry between nations and economies and cultures.

I’ve heard at least one radical leftist point to things about how racial and ethnic divides seem to decline as economic equality increases.

But I would take anything a radical leftist says with a grain of salt, considering he was stating these things in between rounds of BLM looting.

The people I know who grew up in the Communist USSR are the most racist people I know. Anti-Semitic as well - my wife came over as a refugee due to the mistreatment of Jews there.

Communist China is currently committing attrocities against Muslims.

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:04 am And schools teaching “sharing”

In our winner take all capitalist system

lulz

This sock needs to go into the laundry.

zsn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:34 am

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:26 am

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:20 am teachers used to teach reading, riting, rithmetic. you know, the 3 r's.

You sound like my Soviet in-laws.

I've had arguments with them about this. In the USSR school very strictly stuck to those topics. American kids get a more holistic education. Compare the two cultures in terms of ethics, honesty, and whatever the opposite of bigotry is. Given the results I think the holistic approach is far superior.

Using the example of modern day Republicans, who are products of the ostensibly holistic education, I wouldn’t be so cavalier about proclaiming superiority of said approach. Using these subjects as examples, and including those who elected them, would lead one to the conclusion that the US education system is nothing but an abject failure.

That's something missing from education, and not just in the US.

If I were a single-issue political candidate, that one issue would be mandating an entire year of learning how to differentiate good information and bad information, and learning all the naturally irrational aspects of our brains. I think that would be far more effective than the Government trying to crack down on misinformation.

mich would rather we go back to 1925

i mean, who needs science anyway?

KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:31 am mich would rather we go back to 1925

i mean, who needs science anyway?

Nah,

he included rithmatic...biology is just chemistry, and chemistry is just physics, and physics is just math,

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:59 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:31 am mich would rather we go back to 1925

i mean, who needs science anyway?

Nah,

he included rithmatic...biology is just chemistry, and chemistry is just physics, and physics is just math,

you’re gonna make his head explode

KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:18 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:59 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:31 am mich would rather we go back to 1925

i mean, who needs science anyway?

Nah,

he included rithmatic...biology is just chemistry, and chemistry is just physics, and physics is just math,

you’re gonna make his head explode

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:20 am teachers used to teach reading, riting, rithmetic. you know, the 3 r's.

My 3rd grade daughter's homework yesterday was to read two pages of science stufff, answer questions on it, do some math problems and then do two pages of not only writing, but cursive writing.

So quit complaining, they still teach that stuff.

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:31 pm

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:20 am teachers used to teach reading, riting, rithmetic. you know, the 3 r's.

My 3rd grade daughter's homework yesterday was to read two pages of science stufff, answer questions on it, do some math problems and then do two pages of not only writing, but cursive writing.

So quit complaining, they still teach that stuff.

perfect. leave the rest to mom and dad.

what if mom and dad don't think it should be the job of the teachers union to impose their beliefs on mom and dads children. what if mom and dad don't want the elementary, middle school or HS teacher imposing the unions beliefs regarding: ethics, honesty, bigotry, tolerance, misinformation on mom and dads children. isn't that mom and dads job.

why does the teachers union believe they know better what's best for the children?

after everything i have seen these last 2 years from the teachers unions and school boards, i wish they would just stick to teaching. leave the parenting to mom and dad.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 1:19 pm what if mom and dad don't think it should be the job of the teachers union to impose their beliefs on mom and dads children. what if mom and dad don't want the elementary, middle school or HS teacher imposing the unions beliefs regarding: ethics, honesty, bigotry, tolerance, misinformation on mom and dads children. isn't that mom and dads job.

why does the teachers union believe they know better what's best for the children?

If a parent has an issue with the curriculum that is taught at their school then they are free to petition the school board or move their child to a different school district or to a private school that they feel more closely aligns with what they want taught.

If Moms and Dads were doing a bang up job displaying sound ethics, true honesty, a lack of bigotry, tolerance and recognition of misinformation then I'd trust them to be more involved in deciding the curriculum of their children.

But...