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Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:08 pm
by jfish26
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:01 pm
ousdahl wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:25 pm And maybe we’ll struggle to score this year, but we also brought in a lot of guys that seem to address just that.

I don’t think Och/Braun/Jalen will all collectively struggle to shoot or finish as much as they did.

We’ve got 3 experienced transfers who scored a combined 46ppg at the D1 level last year. And only one is projected to start.

So that bench already projects a lot better than a true freshman shooting guard who can’t shoot, and a juco wing.
I think and hope we'll be fine, but consistent scoring would be my bet as to the "weakest" aspect of this team.
Yeah, I don't see it. I don't think we will really have many weaknesses this year. I suppose we don't have a lot of interior defense?

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:10 pm
by hasbeen
Yeah, we're definitely in trouble in March/April if we run into a team that hammers away inside. Because if Dave has to sit then we're relying on Mitch Lightfoot...

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:10 pm
by pdub
hasbeen wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:08 pm Why did I think he was 6'3"? He definitely played bigger when inside.
I dont know Remy but Vonte does have ( or I thought, bofh fact check ) good wingspan.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:12 pm
by pdub
jfish26 wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:08 pm
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:01 pm
ousdahl wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:25 pm And maybe we’ll struggle to score this year, but we also brought in a lot of guys that seem to address just that.

I don’t think Och/Braun/Jalen will all collectively struggle to shoot or finish as much as they did.

We’ve got 3 experienced transfers who scored a combined 46ppg at the D1 level last year. And only one is projected to start.

So that bench already projects a lot better than a true freshman shooting guard who can’t shoot, and a juco wing.
I think and hope we'll be fine, but consistent scoring would be my bet as to the "weakest" aspect of this team.
Yeah, I don't see it. I don't think we will really have many weaknesses this year. I suppose we don't have a lot of interior defense?
Weaknesses compared to elite KU teams.
Outside shooting.
Interior defense.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:16 pm
by ousdahl
Maybe just like, a lack of star power?

We don’t have anyone who projects as a sure fire nba player.

But then again, we’ve had a lot of seasons where no one projected as nba players but are still in the league anyway

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:43 pm
by pdub
In 16 did we have a sure fire NBA player?
If it weren't for the officials giving Vonte several phantom fouls, we mighta won a title that year.
We dominated the B12.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:30 pm
by jfish26
pdub wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:12 pm
jfish26 wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:08 pm
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:01 pm

I think and hope we'll be fine, but consistent scoring would be my bet as to the "weakest" aspect of this team.
Yeah, I don't see it. I don't think we will really have many weaknesses this year. I suppose we don't have a lot of interior defense?
Weaknesses compared to elite KU teams.
Outside shooting.
Interior defense.
I’m bullish on the shooting. I think Braun and Och’s percentages in particular were held back by how tough their looks were. Should be a different story this year.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:02 am
by CrimsonNBlue
jfish26 wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:08 pm
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:01 pm
ousdahl wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:25 pm And maybe we’ll struggle to score this year, but we also brought in a lot of guys that seem to address just that.

I don’t think Och/Braun/Jalen will all collectively struggle to shoot or finish as much as they did.

We’ve got 3 experienced transfers who scored a combined 46ppg at the D1 level last year. And only one is projected to start.

So that bench already projects a lot better than a true freshman shooting guard who can’t shoot, and a juco wing.
I think and hope we'll be fine, but consistent scoring would be my bet as to the "weakest" aspect of this team.
Yeah, I don't see it. I don't think we will really have many weaknesses this year. I suppose we don't have a lot of interior defense?
We’ll be just fine. Lack the nba talent to put up 85 on any given night, but I bet we’re top 10 KenPom offense.

Bigger takeaway is the lack of weaknesses and any weakness is still like top 25 good.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:34 am
by jfish26
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:02 am
jfish26 wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:08 pm
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:01 pm

I think and hope we'll be fine, but consistent scoring would be my bet as to the "weakest" aspect of this team.
Yeah, I don't see it. I don't think we will really have many weaknesses this year. I suppose we don't have a lot of interior defense?
We’ll be just fine. Lack the nba talent to put up 85 on any given night, but I bet we’re top 10 KenPom offense.

Bigger takeaway is the lack of weaknesses and any weakness is still like top 25 good.
I also think that, while Remy might not be a “go-to guy” in the way Frank was (which: who is?), we will have a “go-to set” when needed: let Remy beat a guy and figure things out.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:52 am
by CrimsonNBlue
jfish26 wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:34 am
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:02 am
jfish26 wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:08 pm

Yeah, I don't see it. I don't think we will really have many weaknesses this year. I suppose we don't have a lot of interior defense?
We’ll be just fine. Lack the nba talent to put up 85 on any given night, but I bet we’re top 10 KenPom offense.

Bigger takeaway is the lack of weaknesses and any weakness is still like top 25 good.
I also think that, while Remy might not be a “go-to guy” in the way Frank was (which: who is?), we will have a “go-to set” when needed: let Remy beat a guy and figure things out.
Gonna be nice finally have a guy again that can hit a pull up or beat his man all the way to the rim. Just a glaring hole last season when we needed a bucket.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:02 pm
by pdub
Someone link this one already?

Player of the Year

Medcalf: Marcus Carr, Texas
Borzello: David McCormack, Kansas
Gasaway: Remy Martin, Kansas
Lunardi: Remy Martin, Kansas

Kansas is always a story in the Big 12, and nationally. Give the world one reason why the No. 3 Jayhawks will live up to their Final Four billing, and one thing that worries you about Bill Self's team?

Medcalf:
The concern? I wonder if these Jayhawks are just too nice.

Borzello:
If there's one concern, it's how Martin adjusts his game at Kansas...He won't need to score as much, he won't be playing as fast and he'll have to defer to his teammates much more often.

Gasaway:
Now for the gloom and doom! KU was just average on offense in Big 12 play last season. Does that really change so dramatically with maturation and the arrival of Martin?

Lundardi:
One reason? Probability. No program in America is as consistently positioned for a Final Four or national championship than the Jayhawks.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... title-race

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:04 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
I read it. Medcalf is a fool. Elijah Johnson as a dog. And then the 2014 team analysis isn't quite right, either.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:15 pm
by randylahey
pdub wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:12 pm
jfish26 wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:08 pm
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:01 pm

I think and hope we'll be fine, but consistent scoring would be my bet as to the "weakest" aspect of this team.
Yeah, I don't see it. I don't think we will really have many weaknesses this year. I suppose we don't have a lot of interior defense?
Weaknesses compared to elite KU teams.
Outside shooting.
Interior defense.
Honestly I think this team is going to light it up from 3. could be one of the best. the returning guys all shoot the ball pretty well for their positions. I can't think of a guy in the rotation who isn't a good shooter for his position (no marcus garretts)

I think last years team had a problem with creating open shoots. not with making open shots

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:42 am
by pdub
I think they'll be good but not one of the best. They definitely will shoot it more from three than previous Self teams though.

2016, 2017, 2018--with those players, will be tough to beat.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:54 am
by ousdahl
Dangit we effing better be better from 3.

Otherwise what, hope the score stays in the 50s while the guards stand around and force feed Dave again?

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:22 am
by pdub
I think the goal would be to up our 3 point percentage to 37% while continuing to shoot around 22 3's a game.
It's a big ask ( we shot 34.2% last season ) - but I think doable.

Also need to up our 2 point % significantly as well - to 53% - from 49%.
Also I think doable with a senior DMac and a couple players who can drive to the basket.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:59 am
by Deleted User 89
we’d kill with a senior Dok

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:08 am
by Cascadia
TraditionKU wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:59 am we’d kill with a senior Dok
Yep, can't wait!

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:25 am
by Deleted User 89
pdub wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:22 am I think the goal would be to up our 3 point percentage to 37% while continuing to shoot around 22 3's a game.
It's a big ask ( we shot 34.2% last season ) - but I think doable.

Also need to up our 2 point % significantly as well - to 53% - from 49%.
Also I think doable with a senior DMac and a couple players who can drive to the basket.
cheater

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:29 am
by CrimsonNBlue
Spacing will be a lot better. Bill should be better with his preferred type of guard(s), as well.