jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:48 am
Honestly, the whole thing works better with Garrett as a sub FOR Dotson, since you don't give up much on offense, and you get better on the other end.
Are we sure about that?
Without Garrett, the defense also drops significantly. Self put him on Toolson last night and Garrett locked him down. The defense starts with Garrett. And he can make a perimeter shot just enough as well as driving to make his time on offense valuable.
Dotson has been fine with Garrett on the floor.
The best lineup for this team is Dotson, Garrett, Moss, Ochai and Udoka. Any lineup with Garrett off the floor stinks because the defense drops big time.
Re: AP/Kenpom 2019-20
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:58 am
by ousdahl
not that I think we'll really see it, but Garrett is arguably our most natural point guard/creator. Maybe our sets should have him initiating more? Does it lessen the issue of shooting if the ball is in his hands?
I almost think the issue of Garrett's jumper may be exaggerated, especially when fans mention it as if it nullifies everything else he brings as far as defense, playmaking, and intangibles.
jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:48 am
Honestly, the whole thing works better with Garrett as a sub FOR Dotson, since you don't give up much on offense, and you get better on the other end.
Are we sure about that?
Without Garrett, the defense also drops significantly. Self put him on Toolson last night and Garrett locked him down. The defense starts with Garrett. And he can make a perimeter shot just enough as well as driving to make his time on offense valuable.
Dotson has been fine with Garrett on the floor.
The best lineup for this team is Dotson, Garrett, Moss, Ochai and Udoka. Any lineup with Garrett off the floor stinks because the defense drops big time.
I get it, but you have to step back and think about how this plays out from an overall efficiency standpoint. I have no idea how you'd get good numbers (sample sizes will be too small to just measure what's happened to date), but it would not surprise me at all if the offensive gains from Doton+shooters (no Garrett) far outweigh the losses on defense, in each case on a points per possession basis.
Particularly when you have good-to-great defenders at the 5, you really can live with getting roasted on occasion, if it means you're maximizing your most talented player's opportunities.
Re: AP/Kenpom 2019-20
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:59 am
by jfish26
ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:58 am
not that I think we'll really see it, but Garrett is arguably our most natural point guard/creator. Maybe our sets should have him initiating more? Does it lessen the issue of shooting if the ball is in his hands?
I almost think the issue of Garrett's jumper may be exaggerated, especially when fans mention it as if it nullifies everything else he brings as far as defense, playmaking, and intangibles.
But then you're taking the ball out of Dotson's hands, which there should be like a shock collar for.
Re: AP/Kenpom 2019-20
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:16 am
by Deleted User 89
Moss seems like a liability if his shooting is off, or at least that was the case last night
Re: AP/Kenpom 2019-20
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:30 am
by CrimsonNBlue
He's not very athletic and can't do anything other than shoot.
That's fine, all we were asking for was a Tyrel Reed role. If he just gets his feet set, I'll gladly take his 2-3 three's per game.
Re: AP/Kenpom 2019-20
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:06 am
by TDub
Except Reed was actually a pretty damn good athlete. He could jump out of the gym
Re: AP/Kenpom 2019-20
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:12 am
by NewtonHawk11
But.... we never saw it... ever...
Re: AP/Kenpom 2019-20
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:18 am
by jfish26
Tyrel's athleticism, Case's shooting and Selby's ballhandling live an interesting life together.
Re: AP/Kenpom 2019-20
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:43 am
by CrimsonNBlue
I will say this about Tyrel's vertical athleticism: It saved Tyshawn at least 1 turnover every game.
Re: AP/Kenpom 2019-20
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:59 am
by ousdahl
It’s been suggested that Moss still isn’t 100% healthy...
Re: AP/Kenpom 2019-20
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:03 pm
by ousdahl
Here’s at least one highlight reel from Iowa that’s mostly him finishing at the rim
Re: AP/Kenpom 2019-20
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:35 pm
by PhDhawk
dude lookes like he had an allergy to the rim last night.
2 on 1 fastbreak and he spots up at the three point line.
I don't care how good a shooter you are, a dunk is a higher percentage play, can also result in 3 points, and has the chance of getting the other team to foul.
Re: AP/Kenpom 2019-20
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:40 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:35 pmI don't care how good a shooter you are, a dunk is a higher percentage play, can also result in 3 points, and has the chance of getting the other team to foul.
Assuming he can dunk, I'm not sure that's the case right now. He very well could have less than a 30% chance of finishing at the rim with a defender in front of him.
Re: AP/Kenpom 2019-20
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:44 pm
by jfish26
As we all know, not being able to dunk is occasionally the result of poor conditioning.
Re: AP/Kenpom 2019-20
Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:14 am
by pdub
Kenpom having its usual early issues.
Michigan State is still no.1.
Re: AP/Kenpom 2019-20
Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:54 am
by MICHHAWK
I betcha HCTI has sparty in the hunt come March.
Re: AP/Kenpom 2019-20
Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:10 pm
by InfiniteJ
pdub wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:14 am
Kenpom having its usual early issues.
Michigan State is still no.1.
I think Michigan St is #2; Louisville is #1.
Re: AP/Kenpom 2019-20
Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:56 pm
by pdub
Changed since I posted.
Re: AP/Kenpom 2019-20
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:38 am
by pdub
Michigan State 1 again today.
And for those complaining about our strength of schedule?
We have the 25th ranked SOS, the 2nd toughest in the top 25.