So if no impartial jurors, does that mean the trial could be unfair and a guilty verdict be overturned or more easily appealed? Just askin’.
I’ll ask for thoughts about a proper sentence as the “trial” proceeds.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:49 am
by NewtonHawk11
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:39 am
There will be violence and looting and burning no matter the outcome.
Almost no one, other than those doing the violence, understands violence.
You really think Chauvin "supporters" will be violent, loot and burn?
Interesting.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:50 am
by dolomite2
Overlander wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:25 am
I dont follow the trial.
Fucking guilty, end of story.
If the trial comes back any other way, there will rightfully be protests. I expect violence, it seems to be the only thing anyone understands at this point.
Hang’um high?
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:59 am
by Deleted User 89
MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:39 am
There will be violence and looting and burning no matter the outcome.
Almost no one, other than those doing the violence, understands violence.
way to channel your inner lobster
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:41 pm
by Overlander
We all, unfortunately, live in a country where police get to act in forms and methods that the majority of us find appalling.
I have worked with a significant amount of law enforcement at all levels, and I have witnessed hundreds of actions that were clearly inappropriate and often times illegal.
The first thing a police does when guilty of a crime is get with his supervisor and union steward and formulate a good story to justify the action.
It doesn't matter what is factual, it is usually boiled down to how the OFFICER FEELS. Of course, the victim doesn't get to have feelings. They are subhuman, often times, in the eye of the offending officer(s). One example is an officer that is armed with pepper spray, a baton and a .45 feels "threatened" enough to feel justified in shooting a man in his back as he runs away.
Of course, the section of the public that truly would like to see more brown people shot says that "if he wasn't guilty, he shouldn't have run". Granted, these same people haven't lived the majority of their lives seeing or experiencing for themselves the brutal way that police tend to interact in their environment. Your "fight or flight" instinct is compromised when you are confident that your "fight" instinct will get your head caved in.
The cop killed the guy. In front of us all. We all saw it. If you see anything different you are an enabler and a huge part of the problem.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:43 pm
by ousdahl
Underage teen witness breaks down in tears on the stand, said she’s kept up at night regretting not “physically interacting and not saving his life...but it’s not what I should have done...it’s what (Chauvin) should have done”
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:54 pm
by ousdahl
Overlander wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:41 pm
We all, unfortunately, live in a country where police get to act in forms and methods that the majority of us find appalling.
I have worked with a significant amount of law enforcement at all levels, and I have witnessed hundreds of actions that were clearly inappropriate and often times illegal.
The first thing a police does when guilty of a crime is get with his supervisor and union steward and formulate a good story to justify the action.
It doesn't matter what is factual, it is usually boiled down to how the OFFICER FEELS. Of course, the victim doesn't get to have feelings. They are subhuman, often times, in the eye of the offending officer(s). One example is an officer that is armed with pepper spray, a baton and a .45 feels "threatened" enough to feel justified in shooting a man in his back as he runs away.
Of course, the section of the public that truly would like to see more brown people shot says that "if he wasn't guilty, he shouldn't have run". Granted, these same people haven't lived the majority of their lives seeing or experiencing for themselves the brutal way that police tend to interact in their environment. Your "fight or flight" instinct is compromised when you are confident that your "fight" instinct will get your head caved in.
The cop killed the guy. In front of us all. We all saw it. If you see anything different you are an enabler and a huge part of the problem.
That’s the legal question at hand though, right?
Not simply whether Chauvin killed Floyd, but whether his actions were protected by qualified immunity.
Also I suppose there’s the question of whether/how much Chauvin’s actions contributed to Floyd’s death, or whether the defense can really ride the “drugs and heart disease” angle
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:58 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:54 pmNot simply whether Chauvin killed Floyd, but whether his actions were protected by qualified immunity.
QI is a civil defense.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:35 pm
by ousdahl
Oh thanks.
I guess it’s then a question of whether Chauvin acted reasonably?
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:33 pm
by ousdahl
An off-duty firefighter testified that Chauvin “looked so comfortable” with his hands in his pockets and his weight on Floyd’s neck.
She’s the third witness who called 911 at the time to report what she viewed as police misconduct.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:48 pm
by Walrus
pdub wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:13 am
It has to be the most serious charge if the jurors don't have to prove intent - 2nd degree unintentional murder.
It's silly to think that Floyd, if he was just walking around at that moment, would have just dropped dead from a heart attack or from the traces of drugs in his system. Even if he eventually died of a heart attack, it was induced from the stress of having a knee on his neck for almost ten minutes.
There's video evidence of what the officers did.
The chaos of the situation doesn't change things - you are a police officer - you need to de-escalate.
Police who act like Chauvin need to be accountable and punished so that a. future officers know they cannot get away with extreme violence just because of their position and b. so that the citizens whom these police protect can be assured that they ( as citizens ) have rights within the protection of the law.
Well, he did swallow a bag (aka, a lethal dose) of fentanyl in order to hide it. He likely would have dropped dead from a heart attack after doing that. I feel bad for him, but people are not discussing the facts of what really happened that day.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:51 pm
by ousdahl
Did he?
Like has that been admitted in court and stuff?
Or did, like, just some guy on the Internet say it?
Or did, like, just some guy on the Internet say it?
lol you must be new here.
You see, there was evidence of fentanyl use. And you can’t prove he didn’t swallow a bag of it before a police officer knelt on his neck for nine minutes.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:06 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
I commend the cop for only killing 1 person on his "bad day."
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:18 pm
by Walrus
Interesting take on it.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:20 pm
by jhawks99
I always believe guys who wear a "plandemic" hat.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:21 pm
by Walrus
Attack the argument, not the person.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:25 pm
by jhawks99
Didn't hear the argument, not clicking on your link
pdub wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:13 am
It has to be the most serious charge if the jurors don't have to prove intent - 2nd degree unintentional murder.
It's silly to think that Floyd, if he was just walking around at that moment, would have just dropped dead from a heart attack or from the traces of drugs in his system. Even if he eventually died of a heart attack, it was induced from the stress of having a knee on his neck for almost ten minutes.
There's video evidence of what the officers did.
The chaos of the situation doesn't change things - you are a police officer - you need to de-escalate.
Police who act like Chauvin need to be accountable and punished so that a. future officers know they cannot get away with extreme violence just because of their position and b. so that the citizens whom these police protect can be assured that they ( as citizens ) have rights within the protection of the law.
Well, he did swallow a bag (aka, a lethal dose) of fentanyl in order to hide it. He likely would have dropped dead from a heart attack after doing that. I feel bad for him, but people are not discussing the facts of what really happened that day.
Be honest, you have no fricking clue if he would have died of a heart attack from ingesting the fentanyl. Right?
Sorry guy but your history on here leads me to believe that you DON'T really feel sorry for him.
Plenty of people are discussing the FACTS of what really happened that day. Including but not limited to the FACT that an officer put his knee on the guy's neck for 8+ minutes in what has been referred to as a "blood choke".
Interesting that the medical examiner felt that was the contributing factor to Floyd's death but you seem to know differently.
Please, do tell us what you know for a FACT that the investigators and medical examiner/s don't.
Re: Would you be on the Jury?
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:31 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
I have such little desire to follow this trial, but the comments here now have me wondering: is the defense challenging cause of death?
