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Re: We Lost the Battle for the Libertarian Party's Soul Long Ago
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:26 am
by TDub
are you saying you think Libertarianism started in the Trump term?
Also, my goodness....ill just leave it at that.
Re: We Lost the Battle for the Libertarian Party's Soul Long Ago
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:50 am
by Sparko
No. But Libertarians elected Trump. Pretended to have some high minded reason not to support progressive policies. But if you are in bed with Rand Paul, you get taint. They are Republicans.
Re: We Lost the Battle for the Libertarian Party's Soul Long Ago
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:21 pm
by zsn
The title of this thread implies that Libertarians had a soul at some point. Anyone point to when and for how long?
Re: We Lost the Battle for the Libertarian Party's Soul Long Ago
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:53 pm
by TDub
Sparko wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:50 am
No. But Libertarians elected Trump. Pretended to have some high minded reason not to support progressive policies. But if you are in bed with Rand Paul, you get taint. They are Republicans.
no they didnt.
Re: We Lost the Battle for the Libertarian Party's Soul Long Ago
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:54 pm
by TDub
zsn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:21 pm
The title of this thread implies that Libertarians had a soul at some point. Anyone point to when and for how long?
oh fun, here comes zsn with his patented holier than thou act.
Its amazing your eyes aren't permanently crossed from constantly looking down your nose.
Re: We Lost the Battle for the Libertarian Party's Soul Long Ago
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:22 pm
by randylahey
How are libertarians getting hated on?
They beleive in like 3 things.
1. Minimal government regulations, no more than necessary
2. Minimum taxes. Taxation is theft
3. And if it ain't hurting nobody who cares. Mind your own business
Re: We Lost the Battle for the Libertarian Party's Soul Long Ago
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:45 pm
by Overlander
randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:22 pm
How are libertarians getting hated on?
They beleive in like 3 things.
1. Minimal government regulations, no more than necessary
2. Minimum taxes. Taxation is theft
3. And if it ain't hurting nobody who cares. Mind your own business
Bobber is twitching over here….
Re: We Lost the Battle for the Libertarian Party's Soul Long Ago
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:53 pm
by TDub
randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:22 pm
How are libertarians getting hated on?
They beleive in like 3 things.
1. Minimal government regulations, no more than necessary
2. Minimum taxes. Taxation is theft
3. And if it ain't hurting nobody who cares. Mind your own business
its at least partially because you
claim to be one.
Re: We Lost the Battle for the Libertarian Party's Soul Long Ago
Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:15 am
by jfish26
TDub wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:53 pm
randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:22 pm
How are libertarians getting hated on?
They beleive in like 3 things.
1. Minimal government regulations, no more than necessary
2. Minimum taxes. Taxation is theft
3. And if it ain't hurting nobody who cares. Mind your own business
its at least partially because you
claim to be one.
And, relatedly, because of what exactly MAGAs would drive through the truck sized holes in #1 (“necessary”) and #3 (“hurting nobody”).
As an example, Randy has said he considers transsexuality to be, categorically, a dangerous mental illness. It’s not difficult to see the playbook here.
Re: We Lost the Battle for the Libertarian Party's Soul Long Ago
Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:16 am
by TDub
jfish26 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:15 am
TDub wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:53 pm
randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:22 pm
How are libertarians getting hated on?
They beleive in like 3 things.
1. Minimal government regulations, no more than necessary
2. Minimum taxes. Taxation is theft
3. And if it ain't hurting nobody who cares. Mind your own business
its at least partially because you
claim to be one.
And, relatedly, because of what exactly MAGAs would drive through the truck sized holes in #1 (“necessary”) and #3 (“hurting nobody”).
As an example, Randy has said he considers transsexuality to be, categorically, a dangerous mental illness. It’s not difficult to see the playbook here.
Randy's no libertarian, despite the claims.
Re: We Lost the Battle for the Libertarian Party's Soul Long Ago
Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:21 am
by TDub
I like a lot for what the libertarians platform is (actual libertarians, not whatever is in this thread).
I do think it would have some difficulties operating at a federal level though. It works well at smaller levels but the corporations thay already have a stranglehold on the country would become more dominant and suffocating. The corporations are too big now. It would have to be some sort of modified platform that had separation of private life/small business and a separate way of dealing with the corporate conglomerates.
Re: We Lost the Battle for the Libertarian Party's Soul Long Ago
Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:24 am
by jfish26
TDub wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:16 am
jfish26 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:15 am
TDub wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:53 pm
its at least partially because you
claim to be one.
And, relatedly, because of what exactly MAGAs would drive through the truck sized holes in #1 (“necessary”) and #3 (“hurting nobody”).
As an example, Randy has said he considers transsexuality to be, categorically, a dangerous mental illness. It’s not difficult to see the playbook here.
Randy's no libertarian, despite the claims.
No, he’s not. He believes, more or less, in a police state (where he and people like him are “free” to live the way they want, and the state has the authority to clamp down on anyone and anything that is remotely perceivable as inhibiting that freedom).
Re: We Lost the Battle for the Libertarian Party's Soul Long Ago
Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:22 am
by jhawks99
TDub wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:21 am
I like a lot for what the libertarians platform is (actual libertarians, not whatever is in this thread).
I do think it would have some difficulties operating at a federal level though. It works well at smaller levels but the corporations thay already have a stranglehold on the country would become more dominant and suffocating. The corporations are too big now. It would have to be some sort of modified platform that had separation of private life/small business and a separate way of dealing with the corporate conglomerates.
You've been reading too much ousie.
Re: We Lost the Battle for the Libertarian Party's Soul Long Ago
Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:27 am
by randylahey
Randy has not called transexuality a dangerous mental illness. I do think its a mental illness. But I have not used the word dangerous
Just because someone is confused, suffering an identity crisis, or mentally ill, doesn't necessarily mean they are dangerous or violent. Not mutually exclusive
Re: We Lost the Battle for the Libertarian Party's Soul Long Ago
Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:29 am
by randylahey
And, as a libertarian, I've continually said its a free country, if an individual decides transitioning is the best fit for them, go for it. You arent hurting anyone else.
My problem comes with people pushing to normalize it, which is damaging to others. Especially when it comes to minors
Trans people have the right to be trans. But they don't have the right to tell other people how to feel about that
Re: We Lost the Battle for the Libertarian Party's Soul Long Ago
Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:31 am
by TDub
youre not a libertarian....stop.
Re: We Lost the Battle for the Libertarian Party's Soul Long Ago
Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:31 am
by RainbowsandUnicorns
randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:29 am
And, as a libertarian, I've continually said its a free country, if an individual decides transitioning is the best fit for them, go for it. You arent hurting anyone else.
My problem comes with people pushing to normalize it, which is damaging to others. Especially when it comes to minors
Trans people have the right to be trans. But they don't have the right to tell other people how to feel about that
Now do religion and politics!
Re: We Lost the Battle for the Libertarian Party's Soul Long Ago
Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:34 am
by TDub
jhawks99 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:22 am
TDub wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:21 am
I like a lot for what the libertarians platform is (actual libertarians, not whatever is in this thread).
I do think it would have some difficulties operating at a federal level though. It works well at smaller levels but the corporations thay already have a stranglehold on the country would become more dominant and suffocating. The corporations are too big now. It would have to be some sort of modified platform that had separation of private life/small business and a separate way of dealing with the corporate conglomerates.
You've been reading too much ousie.
some of ousies general ideas aren't entirely misplaced....he just is a bit naive, idealistic, and not grounded in reality.
some of ousies ideas are downright fucking looney tunes.
Re: We Lost the Battle for the Libertarian Party's Soul Long Ago
Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:49 am
by randylahey
TDub wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:31 am
youre not a libertarian....stop.
Tdub. I am your libertarian
Re: We Lost the Battle for the Libertarian Party's Soul Long Ago
Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:50 am
by TDub
nope. you're not. Ive seen you're work. You are no libertarian