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Re: "Conservative" Republican Fascists & Christo-Fascisism

Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 8:31 pm
by Mjl
Fighting against antisemitism is right out of the USSR playbook?

That's the stupidest thing I may have ever read. Maybe it's because my wife was able to move here from the USSR as a refugee due to... antisemitism.

Re: "Conservative" Republican Fascists & Christo-Fascisism

Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 8:41 pm
by jhawks99
Not sure where I read it but it stuck with me.

Lauren Boebert, just like Sarah Palin, only dumber.

Re: "Conservative" Republican Fascists & Christo-Fascisism

Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 8:47 pm
by Shirley
jhawks99 wrote: Fri May 26, 2023 8:41 pm Not sure where I read it but it stuck with me.

Lauren Boebert, just like Sarah Palin, only dumber.
Not positive, but I think I posted this here before:


Re: "Conservative" Republican Fascists & Christo-Fascisism

Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 8:49 pm
by jhawks99
Could be.

Re: "Conservative" Republican Fascists & Christo-Fascisism

Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 8:53 pm
by Shirley
jhawks99 wrote: Fri May 26, 2023 8:49 pmCould be.
See what that stuff does to your memory?

Re: "Conservative" Republican Fascists & Christo-Fascisism

Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 9:01 pm
by jhawks99
Wut

Re: "Conservative" Republican Fascists & Christo-Fascisism

Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 9:47 pm
by DCHawk1
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 6:23 am
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 6:19 am This go here?

Not too sure I believe this - being that I have not seen it reported elsewhere.

Any updates on the white supremacist driver, Gutter?

Re: "Conservative" Republican Fascists & Christo-Fascisism

Posted: Sat May 27, 2023 9:16 am
by RainbowsandUnicorns
DCHawk1 wrote: Fri May 26, 2023 9:47 pm
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 6:23 am
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 6:19 am This go here?

Not too sure I believe this - being that I have not seen it reported elsewhere.

Any updates on the white supremacist driver, Gutter?
Last I read, the driver is in jail. Not too sure why you felt the need to add white supremacist. Were you implying I said anything in particular about the driver in the social media posts I shared and/or were you being facetious?
FWIW (not much - if anything) I do realize there can be and are differences between being a "WHITE" Supremacist and a Neo-Nazi.

https://nypost.com/2023/05/24/white-hou ... la-jailed/

Re: "Conservative" Republican Fascists & Christo-Fascisism

Posted: Sat May 27, 2023 7:04 pm
by japhy
If Ken Paxton can go down, anyone can go down.

Will this take that perpetual smirk off his face?

Re: "Conservative" Republican Fascists & Christo-Fascisism

Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 10:15 am
by jfish26
This is pretty remarkable.

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/may-29-2023
Beginning in 1943, the War Department published a series of pamphlets for U.S. Army personnel in the European theater of World War II. Titled Army Talks, the series was designed “to help [the personnel] become better-informed men and women and therefore better soldiers.”

On March 24, 1945, the topic for the week was “FASCISM!”

“You are away from home, separated from your families, no longer at a civilian job or at school and many of you are risking your very lives,” the pamphlet explained, “because of a thing called fascism.” But, the publication asked, what is fascism? “Fascism is not the easiest thing to identify and analyze,” it said, “nor, once in power, is it easy to destroy. It is important for our future and that of the world that as many of us as possible understand the causes and practices of fascism, in order to combat it.”

Fascism, the U.S. government document explained, “is government by the few and for the few. The objective is seizure and control of the economic, political, social, and cultural life of the state.” “The people run democratic governments, but fascist governments run the people.”

“The basic principles of democracy stand in the way of their desires; hence—democracy must go! Anyone who is not a member of their inner gang has to do what he’s told. They permit no civil liberties, no equality before the law.” “Fascism treats women as mere breeders. ‘Children, kitchen, and the church,’ was the Nazi slogan for women,” the pamphlet said.

Fascists “make their own rules and change them when they choose…. They maintain themselves in power by use of force combined with propaganda based on primitive ideas of ‘blood’ and ‘race,’ by skillful manipulation of fear and hate, and by false promise of security. The propaganda glorifies war and insists it is smart and ‘realistic’ to be pitiless and violent.”

Fascists understood that “the fundamental principle of democracy—faith in the common sense of the common people—was the direct opposite of the fascist principle of rule by the elite few,” it explained, “[s]o they fought democracy…. They played political, religious, social, and economic groups against each other and seized power while these groups struggled.”

Americans should not be fooled into thinking that fascism could not come to America, the pamphlet warned; after all, “[w]e once laughed Hitler off as a harmless little clown with a funny mustache.” And indeed, the U.S. had experienced “sorry instances of mob sadism, lynchings, vigilantism, terror, and suppression of civil liberties. We have had our hooded gangs, Black Legions, Silver Shirts, and racial and religious bigots. All of them, in the name of Americanism, have used undemocratic methods and doctrines which…can be properly identified as ‘fascist.’”

The War Department thought it was important for Americans to understand the tactics fascists would use to take power in the United States. They would try to gain power “under the guise of ‘super-patriotism’ and ‘super-Americanism.’” And they would use three techniques:

First, they would pit religious, racial, and economic groups against one another to break down national unity. Part of that effort to divide and conquer would be a “well-planned ‘hate campaign’ against minority races, religions, and other groups.”

Second, they would deny any need for international cooperation, because that would fly in the face of their insistence that their supporters were better than everyone else. “In place of international cooperation, the fascists seek to substitute a perverted sort of ultra-nationalism which tells their people that they are the only people in the world who count. With this goes hatred and suspicion toward the people of all other nations.”

Third, fascists would insist that “the world has but two choices—either fascism or communism, and they label as ‘communists’ everyone who refuses to support them.”

It is “vitally important” to learn to spot native fascists, the government said, “even though they adopt names and slogans with popular appeal, drape themselves with the American flag, and attempt to carry out their program in the name of the democracy they are trying to destroy.”


The only way to stop the rise of fascism in the United States, the document said, “is by making our democracy work and by actively cooperating to preserve world peace and security.” In the midst of the insecurity of the modern world, the hatred at the root of fascism “fulfills a triple mission.” By dividing people, it weakens democracy. “By getting men to hate rather than to think,” it prevents them “from seeking the real cause and a democratic solution to the problem.” By falsely promising prosperity, it lures people to embrace its security.

“Fascism thrives on indifference and ignorance,” it warned. Freedom requires “being alert and on guard against the infringement not only of our own freedom but the freedom of every American. If we permit discrimination, prejudice, or hate to rob anyone of his democratic rights, our own freedom and all democracy is threatened.” And if “we want to make certain that fascism does not come to America, we must make certain that it does not thrive anywhere in the world.”

Seventy-eight years after the publication of “FASCISM!” with its program for recognizing that political system and stopping it from taking over the United States, President Joe Biden today at Arlington National Cemetery in Arlington, Virginia, honored those who gave their lives fighting to preserve democracy. “On this day, we come together again to reflect, to remember, but above all, to recommit to the future our fallen heroes fought for, …a future grounded in freedom, democracy, equality, tolerance, opportunity, and…justice.”

“[T]he truest memorial to their lives,” the president said, is to act “every day to ensure that our democracy endures, our Constitution endures, and the soul of our nation and our decency endures.”



Notes:

https://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/w ... =armytalks

War Department, “Army Talk 64: FASCISM!” March 24, 1945, at https://archive.org/details/ArmyTalkOri ... m/mode/2up

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... bservance/


Re: "Conservative" Republican Fascists & Christo-Fascisism

Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 12:36 pm
by japhy

Re: "Conservative" Republican Fascists & Christo-Fascisism

Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 12:37 pm
by Shirley
Thanks for sharing that, jfish26. Startling in its prescience.

Same to you, japhy.

Re: "Conservative" Republican Fascists & Christo-Fascisism

Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 6:54 pm
by Shirley
I recently mentioned that I have been boycotting Coors beer since the '70s, and gave several reasons why, including their work against environmental regulations, alleged discrimination against Mexican-American workers, and their support for the very, very right-wing John Birch Society, which can be thought of as a forerunner of today's militia movements. One thing I didn't mention was that Joseph Coors was one of the main persons behind the creation of the conservative think tank, the Heritage Foundation, in 1972. Coors had supported Ronald Reagan's 1968 bid for the republican presidential nomination, and after that failed, he created Heritage. “There wouldn’t be a Heritage Foundation without Joe Coors,” said longtime Heritage president Edwin Feulner.

Sadly, what was once for many a respected source of "conservative" ideas, has become a mouthpiece for the MAGA insurrectionists and is now calling for an end to the FBI, as we know it:


Re: "Conservative" Republican Fascists & Christo-Fascisism

Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 7:16 am
by Shirley

Re: "Conservative" Republican Fascists & Christo-Fascisism

Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 8:08 am
by jfish26

Re: "Conservative" Republican Fascists & Christo-Fascisism

Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 8:49 am
by jfish26

Re: "Conservative" Republican Fascists & Christo-Fascisism

Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 8:52 am
by jfish26

Re: "Conservative" Republican Fascists & Christo-Fascisism

Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 8:56 am
by KUTradition
it’s what an ignorant, bigoted, and irrational fear of “other” looks like

Re: "Conservative" Republican Fascists & Christo-Fascisism

Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 9:10 am
by jfish26
KUTradition wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 8:56 am it’s what an ignorant, bigoted, and irrational fear of “other” looks like
I would only amend to say:

it’s what being targeted for grift for having an ignorant, bigoted, and irrational fear of “other” looks like

Re: "Conservative" Republican Fascists & Christo-Fascisism

Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 9:18 am
by KUTradition
jfish26 wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 9:10 am
KUTradition wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 8:56 am it’s what an ignorant, bigoted, and irrational fear of “other” looks like
I would only amend to say:

it’s what being targeted for grift for having an ignorant, bigoted, and irrational fear of “other” looks like
indeed