Kansas Crimson

TDub wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 9:38 pm he is worse than trump. he's a complete and total jack-off.


unfortunately the democrats are going to run a Joe again....who is worthless.


thank goodness we dont have more than 2 parties.....otherwise we might end up with someone halfway competent and ruin all the plans....

KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 4:56 pm

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 6:32 pm

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 6:09 pm

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 4:55 pm Be patient.

If someone like DeSantis wins the GOP primary, then we will have a third-party candidate. Guarantee it.

And if Trump?

Ohhhh, you're saying Trump would be the third party candidate?

TDub wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 6:17 pm

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 4:55 pm Be patient.

If someone like DeSantis wins the GOP primary, then we will have a third-party candidate. Guarantee it.

if that third party is putting Trump up as the candidate tho......thats not really a win. We need some variation, deviation from the line. Multiple deviations preferably, several candidates in the grey area between the extremes

Feral wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 6:42 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 9:38 pm he is worse than trump. he's a complete and total jack-off.


unfortunately the democrats are going to run a Joe again....who is worthless.


thank goodness we dont have more than 2 parties.....otherwise we might end up with someone halfway competent and ruin all the plans....

What are your problems with Biden?

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 9:35 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 6:17 pm

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 4:55 pm Be patient.

If someone like DeSantis wins the GOP primary, then we will have a third-party candidate. Guarantee it.

if that third party is putting Trump up as the candidate tho......thats not really a win. We need some variation, deviation from the line. Multiple deviations preferably, several candidates in the grey area between the extremes

Of course it's not a win. It would be a disaster.

But what else is new?

zsn wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 9:51 pm We’ve had third party candidates but would you really want George Wallace, Ross Perot or Ralph Nader as President? I think it’s as much an effect of experience and ideas as lobbying and money. That’s the lazy take. John Anderson was probably the person with the ideas and experience to be a serious contender. His lack of success may have been due to splitting the Republican and Democratic votes.

Feral wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 6:42 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 9:38 pm he is worse than trump. he's a complete and total jack-off.


unfortunately the democrats are going to run a Joe again....who is worthless.


thank goodness we dont have more than 2 parties.....otherwise we might end up with someone halfway competent and ruin all the plans....

What are your problems with Biden?

TDub wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 10:04 pm

zsn wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 9:51 pm We’ve had third party candidates but would you really want George Wallace, Ross Perot or Ralph Nader as President? I think it’s as much an effect of experience and ideas as lobbying and money. That’s the lazy take. John Anderson was probably the person with the ideas and experience to be a serious contender. His lack of success may have been due to splitting the Republican and Democratic votes.

yes yes...we know you dont want a third party.....whatever the democrats trot out there you will jump on the wagon and scream from the top of the transamerica pyramid how amazingly smart and brilliant that person is and how everyone who disagrees is a nutcase....we get it.

randylahey wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 5:49 am

Feral wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 6:42 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 9:38 pm he is worse than trump. he's a complete and total jack-off.


unfortunately the democrats are going to run a Joe again....who is worthless.


thank goodness we dont have more than 2 parties.....otherwise we might end up with someone halfway competent and ruin all the plans....

What are your problems with Biden?

Hes a better fit for an assisted care facility

TDub wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 4:35 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 4:03 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 3:50 pm

True but false. Literally all it would take is people just voting 3rd party. If the dems or Republicans get 0 votes they get 0 elected

That is not "all it would take" as there are a number of hurdles that would need to be cleared for that third party candidate to show up on your ballot in the first place.

namely money....lobbies and campaign funding.



if we could limit and better control lobbies we'd all be better off.

zsn wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 10:20 pm Where do you get all that???? Defensive much? I never ever said that I didn’t want a third party candidate. I just haven’t seen anyone serious in the years I’ve been following and studying about politics. Actually the last serious third party candidate was probably Teddy Roosevelt.

In some way, you need a candidate who really stimulates imagination and enthusiasm. While not an accurate example, Obama in 2008 had what it would take for a viable third party candidate. He went up against an extremely well known and well funded opponent (Hillary). I seriously doubt any lobbyist or moneyed interest took him seriously at the beginning - demonstrating that money is only a small part, at least initially. He built an almost-cult-like following, based on hope and prom. Whether or not it was justified, or how it all turned out is not germane to my point. What you need is someone who has interesting, positive and hopeful ideas. Remember that the establishment Democrats were backing Hillary! I haven’t seen it from anyone.

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:51 am

zsn wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 10:20 pm Where do you get all that???? Defensive much? I never ever said that I didn’t want a third party candidate. I just haven’t seen anyone serious in the years I’ve been following and studying about politics. Actually the last serious third party candidate was probably Teddy Roosevelt.

In some way, you need a candidate who really stimulates imagination and enthusiasm. While not an accurate example, Obama in 2008 had what it would take for a viable third party candidate. He went up against an extremely well known and well funded opponent (Hillary). I seriously doubt any lobbyist or moneyed interest took him seriously at the beginning - demonstrating that money is only a small part, at least initially. He built an almost-cult-like following, based on hope and prom. Whether or not it was justified, or how it all turned out is not germane to my point. What you need is someone who has interesting, positive and hopeful ideas. Remember that the establishment Democrats were backing Hillary! I haven’t seen it from anyone.

You'd need a TRUE Centrist who does not include the pollution of The Church in their platform. Financial reform, fiscal responsibility, personal freedoms and some environmental awareness without lunacy. And they'd need to be young but not too young, experienced but not establishment, etc.... AKA a person who doesn't exist. But if that person ever does exist, I'd vote for them, assuming they actually made it through to a primary or general election.

Mjl wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:58 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:51 am

zsn wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 10:20 pm Where do you get all that???? Defensive much? I never ever said that I didn’t want a third party candidate. I just haven’t seen anyone serious in the years I’ve been following and studying about politics. Actually the last serious third party candidate was probably Teddy Roosevelt.

In some way, you need a candidate who really stimulates imagination and enthusiasm. While not an accurate example, Obama in 2008 had what it would take for a viable third party candidate. He went up against an extremely well known and well funded opponent (Hillary). I seriously doubt any lobbyist or moneyed interest took him seriously at the beginning - demonstrating that money is only a small part, at least initially. He built an almost-cult-like following, based on hope and prom. Whether or not it was justified, or how it all turned out is not germane to my point. What you need is someone who has interesting, positive and hopeful ideas. Remember that the establishment Democrats were backing Hillary! I haven’t seen it from anyone.

You'd need a TRUE Centrist who does not include the pollution of The Church in their platform. Financial reform, fiscal responsibility, personal freedoms and some environmental awareness without lunacy. And they'd need to be young but not too young, experienced but not establishment, etc.... AKA a person who doesn't exist. But if that person ever does exist, I'd vote for them, assuming they actually made it through to a primary or general election.

Sununu, if he gets in the race

Mjl wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:58 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:51 am

zsn wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 10:20 pm Where do you get all that???? Defensive much? I never ever said that I didn’t want a third party candidate. I just haven’t seen anyone serious in the years I’ve been following and studying about politics. Actually the last serious third party candidate was probably Teddy Roosevelt.

In some way, you need a candidate who really stimulates imagination and enthusiasm. While not an accurate example, Obama in 2008 had what it would take for a viable third party candidate. He went up against an extremely well known and well funded opponent (Hillary). I seriously doubt any lobbyist or moneyed interest took him seriously at the beginning - demonstrating that money is only a small part, at least initially. He built an almost-cult-like following, based on hope and prom. Whether or not it was justified, or how it all turned out is not germane to my point. What you need is someone who has interesting, positive and hopeful ideas. Remember that the establishment Democrats were backing Hillary! I haven’t seen it from anyone.

You'd need a TRUE Centrist who does not include the pollution of The Church in their platform. Financial reform, fiscal responsibility, personal freedoms and some environmental awareness without lunacy. And they'd need to be young but not too young, experienced but not establishment, etc.... AKA a person who doesn't exist. But if that person ever does exist, I'd vote for them, assuming they actually made it through to a primary or general election.

Sununu, if he gets in the race