Gutter's 3 Quick Questions for the Day - 6/11/24

[MICHHAWK]

no doubt tipping culture has gotten out of hand. it is up to the folks to just say no.

i have no problem saying no when it is warranted.

[Back2Lawrence]

tell your employer to pay you a wage and not rely on us to subsidize the damn wages. I'm paying $6 for a coors light. I don't owe anybody a fucking tip for turning the handle or carrying a plate if noodles to my table. For Christsakes....thats the job! So should I pay my guys $4/hr and tell the clients they need to pay the rest of their wages if they "like the service"? fuck outta here with that nonsense.

(I'm an asshole, yes I still tip, my wife worked in a tip dependent industry for years and over tips dramatically, she hates my take.....I stand by it).

lol. it's how stock prices go up for many, many companies, funneling money into the hands of anyone/everyone who has a myriad of investments.

your take is bad. i wish it wasn't.

to mich...yes, 'tipping culture' is out of hand, but the reason it's a 'culture' is the truly out of hand part.

[jhawks99]

I waited tables when I went back to school in order to get out of the business. As the FNG, I had to work Sunday brunch. Brunch is shitton of work and it's a buffet already creating lower tips. At the time, I was getting $2.01 an hour. At least two tables per brunch would leave what looked like a $5 bill. But when you pick it up, and unfold it, Surprise! It's a note saying that you're going to Hell for working on Sunday and an invitation to go to their church. They always made sure to tell the manager what a great job their server did.

And TDub, I hear you on the tip thing, I think it has gotten out of control. Was at a fast taco joint last week, had to key in my order, take my payment, get my drink, napkins and utensils and then get prompted for how much tip I want to leave.

[KUTradition]

i won’t tip someone for doing their job

if they go above and beyond, even if it’s just being overtly friendly, i have zero issue shelling out extra

delivery drivers get the shaft now that most places charge delivery fees…not my problem their employers are gouging

tangential, but our local kroger stores actually incentivize NOT going into the store by offering 4x fuel points or 100s of bonus fuel points for having our groceries delivered or doing curbside pickup…makes zero sense to me

[twocoach]

1. As a WHOLE. Who are your TWO least favorite people of the following choices.
a. Chicagoans
b. Missourians
c. New Yorkers
d. Parisans
e. Chinese
f. Los Angelenos
g. Israelis
h. Mexicans
i. Russians

2. If you are given unlimited sick days at work, and get paid for any and all sick days you take, how many sick days would you take a year in which you are/were NOT sick?

3. What did you eat for dinner last night?

1) Russians. None of the rest bother me.

2. We have unlimited PTO days now and no separate sick days bucket. Of the handful of days I take off a year, only maybe 1 or 2 a yar are due to being actually sick. I take days off if I have life stuff that needs my attention or I need a relaxing mental health day. In general, my boss pesters me for not taking enough days off.

3. Tacos

[pdub]

My baseline for going out is 20%.
If the service is very good, i'll up to 25%.
Bad usually drops you to 10%-15%.

When I pick up food, I'll tip 10% now ( kitchen etc ) and will spend the time on the reader to do so if the options only allow ( which is absolute bullshit ) more than that ( i.e. 18%, 20%, 22% as default options ). If the only options are 3 options that I don't want AND no tip, well, then no tip. Don't guilt me.

At a bar, if I'm ordering more than beers/wine, i'll also tip 20%.
If it's just beer/wine ( i.e. opening cans ) it's 10%, or, if paying in cash, a dollar or two per trip up.

[TDub]

tell your employer to pay you a wage and not rely on us to subsidize the damn wages. I'm paying $6 for a coors light. I don't owe anybody a fucking tip for turning the handle or carrying a plate if noodles to my table. For Christsakes....thats the job! So should I pay my guys $4/hr and tell the clients they need to pay the rest of their wages if they "like the service"? fuck outta here with that nonsense.

(I'm an asshole, yes I still tip, my wife worked in a tip dependent industry for years and over tips dramatically, she hates my take.....I stand by it).

lol. it's how stock prices go up for many, many companies, funneling money into the hands of anyone/everyone who has a myriad of investments.

your take is bad. i wish it wasn't.

to mich...yes, 'tipping culture' is out of hand, but the reason it's a 'culture' is the truly out of hand part.

my take is bad because tipping makes stock prices go up because it keeps cost down for the business? wtf are you smoking? pass it over.

christ almighty, most of the places relying on tips to pay the wages of their staff aren't even publicly shared companies.....

I stand by my take. If you want staff to work for you.....pay them to work for you. It isn't the customers job to pay their wages beyond patronizing your establishment and already paying for the services.

If you want to start some sort of freelancing waitstaff business then perhaps that's different, but, that would, also, be ridiculous.

[Sparko]

If tipping bothers you, it means you are going out too much. I tip what I can and always try to ensure the people doing the work see some reward. It isn't up to them to change corporate profit models. That is why I only go to Hobby Lobby on Sunday.

[TDub]

tipping bothers me because I've already paid for the product and the product should include preparation or you are just a grocery store.

I don't go out often. I have young kids, we rarely go out.




also, the more I think about it. The "tipping is required and good because it keeps the costs down and increases profit shares for investors" take is about the dumbest fucking take on tipping I've ever heard.

[jhawks99]

tipping bothers me because I've already paid for the product and the product should include preparation or you are just a grocery store.

I don't go out often. I have young kids, we rarely go out.




also, the more I think about it. The "tipping is required and good because it keeps the costs down and increases profit shares for investors" take is about the dumbest fucking take on tipping I've ever heard.

I hear ya, but until something changes (and I don't think it will) please tip your server. And I know you said you do, just gotta throw this out there.

They are required to report at least 8% of their sales to the IRS as income. I used to claim all of my credit card tips (there's a record) plus most of my cash tips. (Statute of limitations is long over for me). Most are also required to tip out a percentage of their sales to the bar, the bus staff and sometimes the food runner. If you don't tip, you are actually costing your server out of pocket money to serve you.

[TDub]

tipping bothers me because I've already paid for the product and the product should include preparation or you are just a grocery store.

I don't go out often. I have young kids, we rarely go out.




also, the more I think about it. The "tipping is required and good because it keeps the costs down and increases profit shares for investors" take is about the dumbest fucking take on tipping I've ever heard.

I hear ya, but until something changes (and I don't think it will) please tip your server. And I know you said you do, just gotta throw this out there.

They are required to report at least 8% of their sales to the IRS as income. I used to claim all of my credit card tips (there's a record) plus most of my cash tips. (Statute of limitations is long over for me). Most are also required to tip out a percentage of their sales to the bar, the bus staff and sometimes the food runner. If you don't tip, you are actually costing your server out of pocket money to serve you.

I do tip...but none of that is the fault of the customer. It's the fault of the business model and business owner.

[TDub]

there is a comment in the bbq thread about the cost of bbq rising due to labor and food cost increases (correct).

If the prices of bbq (and all restaurants) are rising due to increase in food *material* and labor costs...then why are the customers also expected to pay foe the labor on top of the already included labor cost?

[jhawks99]

Labor at most barbecue joints is back of the house. Cooks, dishwashers, etc. Unless it's Jack's Stack or Q39.

[Back2Lawrence]

also, the more I think about it. The "tipping is required and good because it keeps the costs down and increases profit shares for investors" take is about the dumbest fucking take on tipping I've ever heard.

I don’t in principle disagree that it’s dumb, but think of this next time you read about a multi-unit restaurant company shuddering locations and citing for cause increased labor and material costs.

Also, to others commenting about not tipping delivery drivers because ‘fuck them there is a delivery charge.’ What should an appropriate delivery charge be? Free? That’s absurd. When you go from shopping yourself to a delivery service, you increase parties (entities) paid from 1 to 2. 1to 3 if using any 3rd party service.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

also, the more I think about it. The "tipping is required and good because it keeps the costs down and increases profit shares for investors" take is about the dumbest fucking take on tipping I've ever heard.

I don’t in principle disagree that it’s dumb, but think of this next time you read about a multi-unit restaurant company shuddering locations and citing for cause increased labor and material costs.

Also, to others commenting about not tipping delivery drivers because ‘fuck them there is a delivery charge.’ What should an appropriate delivery charge be? Free? That’s absurd. When you go from shopping yourself to a delivery service, you increase parties (entities) paid from 1 to 2. 1to 3 if using any 3rd party service.

I like to think I am a generous person but it kind of blows my mind when I order food for delivery and I pay a delivery fee, give a tip (on line), and then tip the delivery person in person.Typically adds about $15 to a fricking already $30+ (not including tax) pizza.

[Back2Lawrence]

also, the more I think about it. The "tipping is required and good because it keeps the costs down and increases profit shares for investors" take is about the dumbest fucking take on tipping I've ever heard.

I don’t in principle disagree that it’s dumb, but think of this next time you read about a multi-unit restaurant company shuddering locations and citing for cause increased labor and material costs.

Also, to others commenting about not tipping delivery drivers because ‘fuck them there is a delivery charge.’ What should an appropriate delivery charge be? Free? That’s absurd. When you go from shopping yourself to a delivery service, you increase parties (entities) paid from 1 to 2. 1to 3 if using any 3rd party service.

I like to think I am a generous person but it kind of blows my mind when I order food for delivery and I pay a delivery fee, give a tip (on line), and then tip the delivery person in person.Typically adds about $15 to a fricking already $30+ (not including tax) pizza.

I’m curious in your building, Gutter. Do delivery services bring the food to your floor/unit or is there an expectation for y out to meet in the lobby?

[jhawks99]

My daughter orders food delivery all the time. I can't do it. Seems lazy and a waste if money. I can always throw something together from what is on hand.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

I don’t in principle disagree that it’s dumb, but think of this next time you read about a multi-unit restaurant company shuddering locations and citing for cause increased labor and material costs.

Also, to others commenting about not tipping delivery drivers because ‘fuck them there is a delivery charge.’ What should an appropriate delivery charge be? Free? That’s absurd. When you go from shopping yourself to a delivery service, you increase parties (entities) paid from 1 to 2. 1to 3 if using any 3rd party service.

I like to think I am a generous person but it kind of blows my mind when I order food for delivery and I pay a delivery fee, give a tip (on line), and then tip the delivery person in person.Typically adds about $15 to a fricking already $30+ (not including tax) pizza.

I’m curious in your building, Gutter. Do delivery services bring the food to your floor/unit or is there an expectation for y out to meet in the lobby?

Funny you should ask....
Pre-Covid it was 100% delivery to my apartment door.
During Covid it was 100% delivery to a large table on the ground floor/lobby.
Today, it's completely up to the Tennant and the Delivery person.
Which coincidently caused a minor issue last Sunday when I thought I had to come down to the lobby to meet the delivery guy - and the security people sent the guy up to my apartment. We crossed paths.
I came back up to my apartment and he left my food at my door. I felt terrible because I would have tipped the guy.

[twocoach]

My daughter orders food delivery all the time. I can't do it. Seems lazy and a waste if money. I can always throw something together from what is on hand.

This. I haven't had food delivered to me in probably more than 30 years. What a waste of money.

[DeletedUser]

My daughter orders food delivery all the time. I can't do it. Seems lazy and a waste if money. I can always throw something together from what is on hand.

This. I haven't had food delivered to me in probably more than 30 years. What a waste of money.

Only pizza.