Re: Green New Deal
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:03 pm
Are weekends necessary? Are 40 hour work weeks necessary? Are child labor laws necessary?
Minimum wage has indeed risen in your lifetime. Quite substantially in fact.ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:15 pm Indeed I am for raising wages, cuz within my lifetime virtually every economic metric has been on the up and up, except for wages.
But til then, I’ll just hang under the airport tables in hopes that maybe some buttery flakes of croissant might eventually trickle down.
And as for AOC, I’m not sure I can say much about her - at least without bumping the celebrity crushes thread.
Those are independent issues. I can be worried about both.jeepinjayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:52 pmSo, you are worried about raising the minimum by 90%....using perceived higher prices as a point.TDub wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:46 pmYes it is. Raising the minimum wage to combat higher prices is not the answer. The middle class gets fucked in that scenario, they aren't raising the salaries of middle income people but when you have to pay minimum wage quality employees more it will raise the prices of goods and services.
I'm not that old. When I started working minimum wage was something like 3.85/hr. Now 25 years later were saying it needs to be 15?!?! Thats worrisome. Throwing more money at the minimum wage employee is not addressing the underlying issue but is contributing to the cause of inflation.
Are you worried about sealing of borders and adding to the price of goods in the form of tariffs affecting prices of goods? "Cause that is going to be a lot worse.
Do you think you're making a point?
He means REAL wages. Of course, he's making an argument against the accumulation of capital wealth, rather than for raising the minimum wage.TDub wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:03 pmMinimum wage has indeed risen in your lifetime. Quite substantially in fact.ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:15 pm Indeed I am for raising wages, cuz within my lifetime virtually every economic metric has been on the up and up, except for wages.
But til then, I’ll just hang under the airport tables in hopes that maybe some buttery flakes of croissant might eventually trickle down.
And as for AOC, I’m not sure I can say much about her - at least without bumping the celebrity crushes thread.
i completely agree, but until other mechanisms change to balance things out the minimum wage worker is living in povertyTDub wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:46 pmYes it is. Raising the minimum wage to combat higher prices is not the answer. The middle class gets fucked in that scenario, they aren't raising the salaries of middle income people but when you have to pay minimum wage quality employees more it will raise the prices of goods and services.
I'm not that old. When I started working minimum wage was something like 3.85/hr. Now 25 years later were saying it needs to be 15?!?! Thats worrisome. Throwing more money at the minimum wage employee is not addressing the underlying issue but is contributing to the cause of inflation.
and therein is the problemdefixione wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:18 pmI can't remember what minimum wage was when i was in college in the 70s, but what I do remember is that I could afford rent on a small apartment, gas, buy groceries, pay utilities, enjoy a movie a couple times a month or drink some beer, and pay for my full tuition at the university. now, forty plus years later, $15/hr doesn't even come close to covering all of that.TDub wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:46 pmYes it is. Raising the minimum wage to combat higher prices is not the answer. The middle class gets fucked in that scenario, they aren't raising the salaries of middle income people but when you have to pay minimum wage quality employees more it will raise the prices of goods and services.
I'm not that old. When I started working minimum wage was something like 3.85/hr. Now 25 years later were saying it needs to be 15?!?! Thats worrisome. Throwing more money at the minimum wage employee is not addressing the underlying issue but is contributing to the cause of inflation.
Edit: I just found out minimum wage was $1.60/hr, like making $9.45/hr in 2019.
careful, ardy
not sure if that was in response to my post, but i was referencing minimum wage in general...not a nation-wide $15/hrMjl wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:02 pm $15 an hour is not poverty in many places in the country. Having that in Seattle is one thing. Having it in Bumblefuck Iowa is very different. I mean, you won't be able to raise a family with one minimum wage salary - but just being alive shouldn't entitle you to raising a family.
Not you in particular, the whole subject.TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:10 pmnot sure if that was in response to my post, but i was referencing minimum wage in general...not a nation-wide $15/hrMjl wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:02 pm $15 an hour is not poverty in many places in the country. Having that in Seattle is one thing. Having it in Bumblefuck Iowa is very different. I mean, you won't be able to raise a family with one minimum wage salary - but just being alive shouldn't entitle you to raising a family.
i think it’s a travesty that people work for ~$8/hr
Holy dumbshittery, Fatman!TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:04 pmand therein is the problemdefixione wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:18 pmI can't remember what minimum wage was when i was in college in the 70s, but what I do remember is that I could afford rent on a small apartment, gas, buy groceries, pay utilities, enjoy a movie a couple times a month or drink some beer, and pay for my full tuition at the university. now, forty plus years later, $15/hr doesn't even come close to covering all of that.TDub wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:46 pm
Yes it is. Raising the minimum wage to combat higher prices is not the answer. The middle class gets fucked in that scenario, they aren't raising the salaries of middle income people but when you have to pay minimum wage quality employees more it will raise the prices of goods and services.
I'm not that old. When I started working minimum wage was something like 3.85/hr. Now 25 years later were saying it needs to be 15?!?! Thats worrisome. Throwing more money at the minimum wage employee is not addressing the underlying issue but is contributing to the cause of inflation.
Edit: I just found out minimum wage was $1.60/hr, like making $9.45/hr in 2019.
but look out, DC might laugh at you