Kansas Crimson

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:19 pmDorsey > Veach

vmlb wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:55 pm The common denominator with Hill, Hunt, Peters, and now Clarke is Andy Reid.

holidaysmore wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:55 pm Everything we were led to believe was that Hill was being a model citizen and up until this off season, at least to the public he was. In this case the age old additive of, 'you are who you are' is most likely true.

The first thing if I was Hunt is to realize that he has a job to do first, which is to act in the best interest of the football team. Unfortunately the morality has to be second. You don't win Super Bowls or get extensions because you did the 'right' thing. You release Hill now he will get picked up in a year. You then have a WR who was top 5 in his position with a year off who is STILL on his rookie deal. Either you wait for Goodell to make the call or you put him on the Reserved / Suspended list for the whole year and re-evaluate in another year.

Hopefully the Chiefs learned from the Hunt situation. They got peer pressured into the public outcry and gave away a top 5 RB for nothing.

It does suck that this is what this has come down to but if the Chiefs release Hill because it is the right and moral thing to do (which I agree. he should be done with football for life.) some team will come back in a year and pick him up. Now you have given away two of your best football players for nothing.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:57 am Beaty was not a good game coach. Not close, really.

But, yes, his bigger problem, and the reason he got fired, was his roster construction.

hartjack8 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:48 am

holidaysmore wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:55 pm Everything we were led to believe was that Hill was being a model citizen and up until this off season, at least to the public he was. In this case the age old additive of, 'you are who you are' is most likely true.

The first thing if I was Hunt is to realize that he has a job to do first, which is to act in the best interest of the football team. Unfortunately the morality has to be second. You don't win Super Bowls or get extensions because you did the 'right' thing. You release Hill now he will get picked up in a year. You then have a WR who was top 5 in his position with a year off who is STILL on his rookie deal. Either you wait for Goodell to make the call or you put him on the Reserved / Suspended list for the whole year and re-evaluate in another year.

Hopefully the Chiefs learned from the Hunt situation. They got peer pressured into the public outcry and gave away a top 5 RB for nothing.

It does suck that this is what this has come down to but if the Chiefs release Hill because it is the right and moral thing to do (which I agree. he should be done with football for life.) some team will come back in a year and pick him up. Now you have given away two of your best football players for nothing.

The Hunt situation was so messed up. I don't understand why as a team you can not just come out and say the player is going to have to prove that he is worthy and we are going to turn this over to the governing body the NFL. They will decide what is going to happen and what the player needs to do.
They NFL decides the punishment. The NFL says X is the punishment and the team goes OK but we think it should be X plus Y. What does cutting them prove??

The only thing as a team to be wary of is the impact of the player on team moral. If a player is cancerous to the team atmosphere you may just cut them to prove to rest of the players that this behavior will not be tolerated.

Now I say all this with out any direct knowledge of either Hunt or Hill circumstances. There are many sides to a situation and I tend to just stay away from the specifics. I have not watched any video or listen to any audio. All I know is that it seems that Hunt will be playing football next year for Cleveland and that is messed up.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:46 am But at what point do the Chiefs say "We've done all we can do.."

I get the Chiefs should have some responsibility, but to keep track of say 30 guys that might have some issues is also fairly impossible considering these guys are making millions and have A TON of free time on their hands.

But football is so tough to keep tabs on these guys. Maybe they have done counseling, maybe they have had someone do a checkup here and there, but at a certain point, the guys will revert back to what they know.

They don't get to put these guys in hotel rooms for half the season like baseball and basketball. These guys have to spend 8 nights in a hotel room for the entire season outside of training camp. Outside of that, they are just like you and me, they go to work at 8 and come home at 6 or 7. What happens during those 13 hours is tough to keep tabs on.

Deep down, those guys will always revert back to what they know, what they previously did and what they know, there's not much that can change those guys outside of a rehab facility where they spend months and months away and could possibly eat into the season, which is why they are even on the roster to begin with.