Kansas Crimson

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:26 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:56 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 7:37 am Which is a better response:

to make some point about how people have been invading this country for centuries before Orwell was a thing?

Or to make some Jesus point like, for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you said, “no way bro, I couldn’t possibly welcome you, not if you came here illegally!

I liken it to a lifeboat that is already overloaded and is in danger of sinking. Do you keep allowing people to get out of the water and into the boat because you feel bad for them, which guarantees that everybody will end up in the water, or do you encourage them to find another boat?

Last year was an eye-opening experience for me. My wife and I decided to see what it would be like to teach at a State university, so we lined up visiting professorships at a school in the Texas A&M system located in Laredo. It was by far the worst place I have ever lived. Laredo is right on the Mexican border, with thousands of people coming over from Nuevo Laredo every day to work and shop and live during the work week. The infrastructure is overwhelmed, everything is crowded all the time, and the utility system is continually in overload.

We rented a house in what used to be a nice neighborhood, where we were an anomaly. It was the two of us and our infant in a small three bedroom two bath house. All of our neighbors had six to eight cars in their driveways and lined up along the streets because they had ten to twelve people crammed into their similarly-sized houses - many of whom I'm sure were there illegally. They had people living in their garages with rigged up window A/C units running non-stop. The power went out on a regular basis, and the temperature was always at or near 100. As the other faculty at the university told us, we were technically in the United States, but in reality, we were living in Mexico. It was one iota above a Third World country in most respects.

Here's my point. We left because it was a horrible place to live, and the university continues to have difficulty attracting, hiring, and retaining faculty for that reason. I don't want to live like that, but if we continue to let uncontrolled streams of illegals come across our border, we will all be living that way eventually.

There are other countries to go to. We are at capacity. It's just reality.

At capacity?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... on_density

One of the things we’re RICHEST on is the clear capacity for more people.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:21 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:26 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:56 am

I liken it to a lifeboat that is already overloaded and is in danger of sinking. Do you keep allowing people to get out of the water and into the boat because you feel bad for them, which guarantees that everybody will end up in the water, or do you encourage them to find another boat?

Last year was an eye-opening experience for me. My wife and I decided to see what it would be like to teach at a State university, so we lined up visiting professorships at a school in the Texas A&M system located in Laredo. It was by far the worst place I have ever lived. Laredo is right on the Mexican border, with thousands of people coming over from Nuevo Laredo every day to work and shop and live during the work week. The infrastructure is overwhelmed, everything is crowded all the time, and the utility system is continually in overload.

We rented a house in what used to be a nice neighborhood, where we were an anomaly. It was the two of us and our infant in a small three bedroom two bath house. All of our neighbors had six to eight cars in their driveways and lined up along the streets because they had ten to twelve people crammed into their similarly-sized houses - many of whom I'm sure were there illegally. They had people living in their garages with rigged up window A/C units running non-stop. The power went out on a regular basis, and the temperature was always at or near 100. As the other faculty at the university told us, we were technically in the United States, but in reality, we were living in Mexico. It was one iota above a Third World country in most respects.

Here's my point. We left because it was a horrible place to live, and the university continues to have difficulty attracting, hiring, and retaining faculty for that reason. I don't want to live like that, but if we continue to let uncontrolled streams of illegals come across our border, we will all be living that way eventually.

There are other countries to go to. We are at capacity. It's just reality.

At capacity?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... on_density

One of the things we’re RICHEST on is the clear capacity for more people.

Capacity is a subjective construct. Are we talking capacity by First World or Third World standards? Personally, I'm not down with living at Third World capacity. Been there, done that. It sucks.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:36 am lots of untapped capacity in canada.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:02 pm i am ahead of the curve. i pivoted from "3rd world" to "$#!thole" some time ago.

i am ahead of the curve. always have been.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:29 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:21 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:26 am

At capacity?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... on_density

One of the things we’re RICHEST on is the clear capacity for more people.

Capacity is a subjective construct. Are we talking capacity by First World or Third World standards? Personally, I'm not down with living at Third World capacity. Been there, done that. It sucks.

This is just detached from reality. I assume you've spent time abroad. Even setting aside gobs and gobs of space out west that are self-evidently NOT supportive to being major population centers, we simply do not have capacity problems to worry about.

Sparko wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:22 pm "They" are people. Looking to live with dignity and respect. Spain created a lot of colonial misery they exploited for their European luxury. Worse, we contributed to the climate emergency in a huge way that is adding to the immigration numbers. And it will get worse.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:56 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 7:37 am Which is a better response:

to make some point about how people have been invading this country for centuries before Orwell was a thing?

Or to make some Jesus point like, for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you said, “no way bro, I couldn’t possibly welcome you, not if you came here illegally!

I liken it to a lifeboat that is already overloaded and is in danger of sinking. Do you keep allowing people to get out of the water and into the boat because you feel bad for them, which guarantees that everybody will end up in the water, or do you encourage them to find another boat?

Last year was an eye-opening experience for me. My wife and I decided to see what it would be like to teach at a State university, so we lined up visiting professorships at a school in the Texas A&M system located in Laredo. It was by far the worst place I have ever lived. Laredo is right on the Mexican border, with thousands of people coming over from Nuevo Laredo every day to work and shop and live during the work week. The infrastructure is overwhelmed, everything is crowded all the time, and the utility system is continually in overload.

We rented a house in what used to be a nice neighborhood, where we were an anomaly. It was the two of us and our infant in a small three bedroom two bath house. All of our neighbors had six to eight cars in their driveways and lined up along the streets because they had ten to twelve people crammed into their similarly-sized houses - many of whom I'm sure were there illegally. They had people living in their garages with rigged up window A/C units running non-stop. The power went out on a regular basis, and the temperature was always at or near 100. As the other faculty at the university told us, we were technically in the United States, but in reality, we were living in Mexico. It was one iota above a Third World country in most respects.

Here's my point. We left because it was a horrible place to live, and the university continues to have difficulty attracting, hiring, and retaining faculty for that reason. I don't want to live like that, but if we continue to let uncontrolled streams of illegals come across our border, we will all be living that way eventually.

There are other countries to go to. We are at capacity. It's just reality.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:38 pm

Sparko wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:22 pm "They" are people. Looking to live with dignity and respect. Spain created a lot of colonial misery they exploited for their European luxury. Worse, we contributed to the climate emergency in a huge way that is adding to the immigration numbers. And it will get worse.

So, because of what Spain did centuries ago, I owe it to other people to sacrifice my standard of living? That's ridiculous.