Would you be on the Jury?

[ousdahl]

Would any other member of society be able to avoid charges by saying, “oops sorry just got my weapons mixed up?”

I think that is pretty irrelevant, at least when discussing criminal charges. But, it is possible (military?), especially if substituting "tools" for "weapons."

In real time right now, yea.

But we want to get away from a system of policing, and pattern of behavior, that can otherwise only compare to soldiers on a battlefield.

[Deleted User 865]

They likely fight with QI, but this highly publicized, with video, can change things. Plus, I think they'd have a long conversation about how much they want to fight considering QI is becoming increasingly attacked from all sides of the political spectrum--I'm not sure where the 8th Circuit would land on it.

To me, this was a cop who was negligent in their job. That's nearly perfectly in the purview of QI, and I don't think it gets pierced here. But like I said, if every traffic stop a cop makes can lead to them losing their house, you start feeling the weight of the gun a little more, and you start double thinking pulling over someone for doing 55 in a 54.

[ousdahl]

I ain’t stepping outta shit, all my papers legit...well do you mind if I look around your car a little bit?

[CrimsonNBlue]

They likely fight with QI, but this highly publicized, with video, can change things. Plus, I think they'd have a long conversation about how much they want to fight considering QI is becoming increasingly attacked from all sides of the political spectrum--I'm not sure where the 8th Circuit would land on it.

To me, this was a cop who was negligent in their job. That's nearly perfectly in the purview of QI, and I don't think it gets pierced here. But like I said, if every traffic stop a cop makes can lead to them losing their house, you start feeling the weight of the gun a little more, and you start double thinking pulling over someone for doing 55 in a 54.

I don't necessarily disagree. Case gets filed, though, unless a pre-suit settlement.

[Deleted User 865]

I would assume a settlement quickly. I doubt Minnesota wants to go through any more trials.

[ousdahl]

[CrimsonNBlue]

It's kind of like what Chris Rock said, some jobs, you just don't get to have bad apples. Like pilots.

Some jobs, you only get one mistake.

[Deleted User 89]

i like Daniel Tosh’s take...

all cops need to be black, and all fire fighters white

[MICHHAWK]

Bad choices often equal bad results. We are all responsible for our choices.

[ousdahl]

...except cops?

[CrimsonNBlue]

I am shocked that is MICH's simple-minded take. Just shocked.

[pdub]

But shouldn't equal this bad of results.
Resisting/evading an officer should not result in being shot to death by one.

[defixione]

I am shocked that is MICH's simple-minded take. Just shocked.

This leads me to wonder how many of Mich's progeny he has chosen to shun or write off as a result of their coming in too late, or not getting good grades in school, not cleaning their room, or refusing to take out the garbage.

[pdub]

[Deleted User 89]

But shouldn't equal this bad of results.
Resisting/evading an officer should not result in being shot to death by one.

going further, an apparent clerical mistake that results in a notice to appear being delivered to the wrong address, shouldn’t result in someone’s death

[pdub]

Well, i'm sure the 'if you aren't 100% with me then you're a racist" crowd will say something like, "figures or par for the course", but usually you get a ticket with a court date on it for a misdemeanor, so he knew he was charged with something, and from the information we have at the moment, he was charged with fleeing an officer with unlawful possession of a firearm. And he obviously tried evading officers again.

But the guy was shot to death.
So bad choices/bad results applies in an extremely misconstrued way.

[jfish26]

It's kind of like what Chris Rock said, some jobs, you just don't get to have bad apples. Like pilots.

Some jobs, you only get one mistake.

It's so much deeper than that, though (and I'm not saying you are wrong). This is a failure of the entire relationship that law enforcement has with Black communities (in particular). When the relationship is entirely adversarial and borne of suspicion, this is just the sort of mistake that is way too likely to be made.

You can't fix this with more training, or better procedures, or even reduced contacts for non-critical incidents. It has to start with aggressively embracing social programs and services - and community policing principles - such that law enforcement really does protect and serve (and not simply enforce and punish).

[Deleted User 89]

Well, i'm sure the 'if you aren't 100% with me then you're a racist" crowd will say something like, "figures or par for the course", but usually you get a ticket with a court date on it for a misdemeanor, so he knew he was charged with something, and from the information we have at the moment, he was charged with fleeing an officer with unlawful possession of a firearm. And he obviously tried evading officers again.

But the guy was shot to death.
So bad choices/bad results applies in an extremely misconstrued way.

the thing is, none of that needs said

yes, of course he shouldn’t have tried to run. but, is running worthy of a death sentence?

the crowd your referencing, of which i may be a part, wonders why you (and others) feel the need to offer up the reminder at all

[CrimsonNBlue]

It's kind of like what Chris Rock said, some jobs, you just don't get to have bad apples. Like pilots.

Some jobs, you only get one mistake.

It's so much deeper than that, though (and I'm not saying you are wrong). This is a failure of the entire relationship that law enforcement has with Black communities (in particular). When the relationship is entirely adversarial and borne of suspicion, this is just the sort of mistake that is way too likely to be made.

You can't fix this with more training, or better procedures, or even reduced contacts for non-critical incidents. It has to start with aggressively embracing social programs and services - and community policing principles - such that law enforcement really does protect and serve (and not simply enforce and punish).

Oh yes absolutely. The problems are so deep and long and rooted in what is triple digits of other problems and distrust.

The thinking behind all of it needs a deep overhaul.


It really rings hollow right now when the blue lives matter contingent crow about how unpredictable the public is towards police during a stop.

[jfish26]

It's kind of like what Chris Rock said, some jobs, you just don't get to have bad apples. Like pilots.

Some jobs, you only get one mistake.

It's so much deeper than that, though (and I'm not saying you are wrong). This is a failure of the entire relationship that law enforcement has with Black communities (in particular). When the relationship is entirely adversarial and borne of suspicion, this is just the sort of mistake that is way too likely to be made.

You can't fix this with more training, or better procedures, or even reduced contacts for non-critical incidents. It has to start with aggressively embracing social programs and services - and community policing principles - such that law enforcement really does protect and serve (and not simply enforce and punish).

Oh yes absolutely. The problems are so deep and long and rooted in what is triple digits of other problems and distrust.

The thinking behind all of it needs a deep overhaul.


It really rings hollow right now when the blue lives matter contingent crow about how unpredictable the public is towards police during a stop.

Like, squirrels have nothing to fear from bears. You don't see squirrels running from or fighting bears, just because. Were I to find myself confronted by a bear, my fight-or-flight would go the hell off!