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Re: Afghanistan
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:55 am
by Deleted User 863
2 videos. Where he clearly lies if the generals/intelligence community sources didn't lie to those journalists. It's right there in the questions and answers.
Maybe he forgot what they told him? Got Iraq and Afghanistan confused? Should I cut the guy some slack? Or just wait for more of your patented personal attacks?
Re: Afghanistan
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:59 am
by Deleted User 863
twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:53 am
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:01 am
twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:25 am
He said that it was not true that the intelligence community had reached the conclusion that the Afghan government was guaranteed to collapse. He didn't say that he guaranteed that it wouldn't happen.
Context is important. Listening to the question asked is important. Listening to the words of the answer are important.
You only hear what you want to hear. Multiple sources have confirmed that the intelligence community urged him to prepare for this because it was exactly what was going to happen. There are multiple interviews now with him lying about this. That press conference and the CBS (iirc) interview.
...but tbh you did exactly what i knew you would which was a) not respond at all or b) do mental gymnastics to defend your guy.
Have a great day!
Huh? I heard the words asked of him by the reporter and the words he used in the response. I can type them out word for word if you'd like to be proven wrong twice.
Listening to the question and the answer is the opposite of mental gymnastics. It's mental gymnastics to do what you did, which appears to be to assume that what he meant was different than what he said because you didn't actually listen to the question he was answering and you think you remember some report that says something else.
He says word for word "that's not what they said"...the generals/intelligence community sources say that's exactly what they told him.
Someone is lying. It's Biden. His ego got the best of him and he snapped back and that female reporter aggressively because he felt the heat. And then in the George Stephanopoulos interview (also posted) he doubles down.
Re: Afghanistan
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:04 am
by Deleted User 863
Yall are big mad that Biden has botched his first big situation in the middle east. Now our allies are having to send their own troops in to try to save their people's lives.
In the words of twocoach "hats off to Biden...".
Re: Afghanistan
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:26 am
by ousdahl
Re: Afghanistan
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:39 am
by Mjl
There was not consensus about what would happen. Biden listened to the ones (namely head of joint chief of staff Milley, who was appointed precisely to be the person the President listens to on these matters) that were wrong.
How do you consider that lying?
Re: Afghanistan
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:07 pm
by Deleted User 863
There was not a "consensus" because Biden and his people refused to listen to the generals/intelligence community. Seemed to be a consensus between everyone other than Biden and his team. The fact it happened in a few days speaks volumes. Now we have no only trapped our people, we have trapped and screwed over our allies and their people.
Re: Afghanistan
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:07 pm
by jhawks99
Ignoring illy (always a good plan), I'm curious about something that has not been mentioned in any new media that I've watched. Fox, CNN, MSNBC, NPR.
After WWII, we had the Marshall Plan, build Germany and Japan into functioning countries. That worked out pretty well for both countries, the US and the rest of the world. Then we tried to nation build in Viet Nam, did not go well. We did the same think in Afghanistan and Iraq and failed miserably at both.
What went so right after WWII that we did not learn from? Was the scale of death and destruction so much greater that the population was willing to accept us helping?
It seems that we did not learn anything from our failures or successes.
Re: Afghanistan
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:10 pm
by Mjl
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:07 pm
There was not a "consensus" because Biden and his people refused to listen to the generals/intelligence community. Seemed to be a consensus between everyone other than Biden and his team. The fact it happened in a few days speaks volumes. Now we have no only trapped our people, we have trapped and screwed over our allies and their people.
Do you understand the role of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff? Clearly not.
Re: Afghanistan
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:11 pm
by Deleted User 89
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:07 pm
There was not a "consensus" because Biden and his people refused to listen to the generals/intelligence community.
Seemed to be a consensus between everyone other than Biden and his team. The fact it happened in a few days speaks volumes. Now we have no only trapped our people, we have trapped and screwed over our allies and their people.
the bolded is factually wrong...there are links in this thread demonstrating as much
keep posting uninformed takes, and i’m gonna keep calling you an idiot
Re: Afghanistan
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:14 pm
by Deleted User 89
jhawks99 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:07 pm
Ignoring illy (always a good plan), I'm curious about something that has not been mentioned in any new media that I've watched. Fox, CNN, MSNBC, NPR.
After WWII, we had the Marshall Plan, build Germany and Japan into functioning countries. That worked out pretty well for both countries, the US and the rest of the world. Then we tried to nation build in Viet Nam, did not go well. We did the same think in Afghanistan and Iraq and failed miserably at both.
What went so right after WWII that we did not learn from? Was the scale of death and destruction so much greater that the population was willing to accept us helping?
It seems that we did not learn anything from our failures or successes.
obviously there are a lot of differences between the situations, but i think your last statement pretty well sums it up
Re: Afghanistan
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:15 pm
by Overlander
jhawks99 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:07 pm
What went so right after WWII that we did not learn from? Was the scale of death and destruction so much greater that the population was willing to accept us helping?
No religious fanaticism for WW2
Re: Afghanistan
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:23 pm
by Deleted User 89
Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:15 pm
jhawks99 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:07 pm
What went so right after WWII that we did not learn from? Was the scale of death and destruction so much greater that the population was willing to accept us helping?
No religious fanaticism for WW2
i almost said something similar
but, religious fanaticism doesn’t explain Vietnam
Re: Afghanistan
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:32 pm
by ousdahl
What was the point of Vietnam, again?
The communist boogeyman?
Re: Afghanistan
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:35 pm
by jhawks99
France handed their colonial nightmare over to us.
Re: Afghanistan
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:49 pm
by TDub
ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:32 pm
What was the point of Vietnam, again?
The communist boogeyman?
Biting tongue.
Re: Afghanistan
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:50 pm
by ousdahl
I was genuinely asking.
If your have something to contribute, spill the beans.
Otherwise imma Google France’s colonial nightmare.
Re: Afghanistan
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:53 pm
by Deleted User 89
i thought it was about them good shrimpin’ waters
Re: Afghanistan
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:00 pm
by zsn
ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:50 pm
I was genuinely asking.
If your have something to contribute, spill the beans.
Otherwise imma Google France’s colonial nightmare.
What you want to Google is Domino Theory (nothing to do with pizza or the heroine in possibly the worst Bond movie)
Re: Afghanistan
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:04 pm
by Overlander
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:23 pm
Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:15 pm
jhawks99 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:07 pm
What went so right after WWII that we did not learn from? Was the scale of death and destruction so much greater that the population was willing to accept us helping?
No religious fanaticism for WW2
i almost said something similar
but, religious fanaticism doesn’t explain Vietnam
Probably the first major war fought for the M.I.C.
Re: Afghanistan
Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:09 pm
by Deleted User 89
Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:04 pm
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:23 pm
Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:15 pm
No religious fanaticism for WW2
i almost said something similar
but, religious fanaticism doesn’t explain Vietnam
Probably the first major war fought for the M.I.C.
Military Industrial Complex?
Ministry of Information and Communications?
