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BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:22 pm Is the actual health care in those countries "better" than in the USA? Or is it just free/universal?

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:25 pm I am happy with my healthcare in the USA. I was happier before the insurance companies were forced to cover those with pre existing conditions though, because it was cheaper. Although much of my health insurance is covered by my employer, which is a nice employment benefit and influences my OPINION.

I do think EVERYONE should have access to healthcare. I just don't think private health insurance companies are the way to achieve that.


I know you don't actually care Q but here's a ranking of healthcare by country....

https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... -the-world

USA is 18th.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:33 am Oh, and thee best part!

Rather than the average Merican learning to organize and stand up for ourselves and demand better like Qusdahl wants, we’d rather melt down about how the real problem is Qusdahl.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:22 am Shirley used to fuss about how healthcare accounts for like 1/5 of the U.S. total GDP.

And even as yuge as our GDP is - yugest in the world, a whopping $19 trillion, some $7 trillion bigger than the next biggest country, China...so that means we spend like over $4-ish trillion a year JUST ON HEALTHCARE?, which is more than the entire GDP of every country besides us and China - next biggest is Japan at around $5t, Germany around $4t, and India around $2t.

and yet, we're still 18th in healthcare.

It's almost like commodifying ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING isn't the greatest idea.

not to mention things like, back in the 50s the entire doctor bill for a child birth would be like $65 dollars.

but let's go full Qusdahl! Wasn't the first country to offer comprehensive universal healthcare to its citizens the Soviets? And the "employer-provided" bullshit was our own capitalist-controlled country's response to keeping up with the joneses...so, rather than just come out and admit maybe the commies had a good idea about something after all, we instead made it about "if you wanna go to the doctor then you better fucking be employed...and employed in the right kind of work, in an industry that isn't gonna tell you don't deserve the benefit of going to a doctor.

...but at least I bet those healthcare execs have nice vacation homes?

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:38 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:22 am Shirley used to fuss about how healthcare accounts for like 1/5 of the U.S. total GDP.

And even as yuge as our GDP is - yugest in the world, a whopping $19 trillion, some $7 trillion bigger than the next biggest country, China...so that means we spend like over $4-ish trillion a year JUST ON HEALTHCARE?, which is more than the entire GDP of every country besides us and China - next biggest is Japan at around $5t, Germany around $4t, and India around $2t.

and yet, we're still 18th in healthcare.

It's almost like commodifying ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING isn't the greatest idea.

not to mention things like, back in the 50s the entire doctor bill for a child birth would be like $65 dollars.

but let's go full Qusdahl! Wasn't the first country to offer comprehensive universal healthcare to its citizens the Soviets? And the "employer-provided" bullshit was our own capitalist-controlled country's response to keeping up with the joneses...so, rather than just come out and admit maybe the commies had a good idea about something after all, we instead made it about "if you wanna go to the doctor then you better fucking be employed...and employed in the right kind of work, in an industry that isn't gonna tell you don't deserve the benefit of going to a doctor.

...but at least I bet those healthcare execs have nice vacation homes?

And back in the 50s mothers and babies who experienced any sort of abnormal issues during childbirth were at a serious risk of death. Would anyone today choose to go back to a 1950s hospital for their healthcare if they were guaranteed the 1950s price? Maybe for the most basic of needs but not anything of note.

We now have all sorts of fancy ways to greatly increase the chances of a child's birth being successful and healthy but those advancements cost money and that money creates wealth and power that a few people quickly get used to enjoying. But that increased money now is also spent by health care providers to give us a much more advanced level of care at every level. It's a vicious cycle. Capitalism 101.

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:44 am 51 years ago, my parents had their first child. She was born with a congenital heart defect that had she been born even 5 years later, would have been treatable. Instead she died at 2 months old. My parents made a donation to the hospital that was put towards purchasing the hospital's first ultrasound machine. A machine that now exists in virtually every basic general practitioners office today.

Different times, different costs, different experiences. Yes, I wish healthcare was cheaper and yes, I fully believe that greed for profits is driving up the costs to American citizens. But I am glad to be alive in a day and age where I have such a great chance to live a healthier life.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:46 am you have trashed the police.

now you have shifted to healthcare.

can you rail on the daycare system next. i know families with multiple children in daycare. and they have told me that their daycare expense is now their single biggest monthly expense. bigger than the mortgage.

can you trash daycare next.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:57 am

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:46 am you have trashed the police.

now you have shifted to healthcare.

can you rail on the daycare system next. i know families with multiple children in daycare. and they have told me that their daycare expense is now their single biggest monthly expense. bigger than the mortgage.

can you trash daycare next.

all I'd like to say for now is, daycare should be easily accessible to parents, and daycare workers deserve a living wage too.

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:08 am print more money! why can't the government pay the daycare providers and make all daycare free! see...easy. you won't feel the inflation if everything is free.