Kansas Crimson

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2024 5:31 pm**

Griffen Bidunga Zeke and Storr combined stats tonight = 10 points.

Coit DH Kj and HD = 57 points.

We can't get 1 or 2 of the top group to play well each night. Let alone all of them well enough to bench the guys you don't like.

Be realistic. You begged for Storr at the 4. We got it today for a stretch when KJ got into foul trouble and he was abused by bigger more physical players. And missed damn near all his shots.

I don't think Storr is this raw high upside guy you're creating in your head. He wasn't that at Wisonsin either. He scored a lot by taking a lot of bad shots on a bad team who lost 14 games. And you think he can help carry Kansas? He couldn't carry St Johns or Wisconsin. 29 losses in his 2 years at those schools. He's never proven to be a winner at this level.

If that top group was busting their ass and the others were slacking, that'd be one thing. But that's not what is happening. The top group is overwhelmed by the competition. They don't compete. They lack focus. They lack experience winning.

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2024 5:49 pm**

I'm saying maybe the top group could play better, particularly by the end of the season, if they get more minutes now. And, generally, I think we need to figure out how to run our offense thru guys like Rylan and Storr, more so than guys like Dajuan and KJ...heck, and maybe even Hunter. But Hunter will get more looks if we can run it thru Rylan and Storr anyway.

Use these guys to their strengths. Get Storr some downhill looks, CB/Jalen/McCullar style. Get Rylan running around screens to free him up.

And I'm not necessarily saying Storr is thee guy to "help carry Kansas" all by his lonesome, but I think he has more potential to help carry Kansas than the guys who have pretty much proven they can't.

Cuz speaking of realistic, I'm afraid big minutes to the same guys who were getting their butts kicked last year is only gonna keep getting our butts kicked this year. Dajuan played 37 minutes at Creighton, and 38 today!

Speaking of missed damn near all his shots, Dajuan is 11-35 the last two games, and 4-14 from deep. That's not gonna get it done. We need to figure out more looks for other guys.

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:04 pm**

BiggDick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 5:49 pm I'm saying maybe the top group could play better, particularly by the end of the season, if they get more minutes now. And, generally, I think we need to figure out how to run our offense thru guys like Rylan and Storr, more so than guys like Dajuan and KJ...heck, and maybe even Hunter. But Hunter will get more looks if we can run it thru Rylan and Storr anyway.

Use these guys to their strengths. Get Storr some downhill looks, CB/Jalen/McCullar style. Get Rylan running around screens to free him up.

And I'm not necessarily saying Storr is thee guy to "help carry Kansas" all by his lonesome, but I think he has more potential to help carry Kansas than the guys who have pretty much proven they can't.

Cuz speaking of realistic, I'm afraid big minutes to the same guys who were getting their butts kicked last year is only gonna keep getting our butts kicked this year. Dajuan played 37 minutes at Creighton, and 38 today!

Speaking of missed damn near all his shots, Dajuan is 11-35 the last two games, and 4-14 from deep. That's not gonna get it done. We need to figure out more looks for other guys.

Watching the games will help with your ability to analyze our players and our play as a team.

Running offense through AJ Storr resulted in 14 losses for Wisconsin last year. 15 losses at St Johns the year before.

Griffen and Storr are not good enough to "run our offense through". Not if we want to be a top team. Even if we wanted to. They're not built for that. You're acting like they're Cooper Flagg talented. They're not.

We are trying to run a lot of it through Zeke, but he's pump faking and hesitating and struggling with the increase in defense.

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:18 pm**

illy, you're ignoring things I'm saying so you can instead put words in my mouth and argue with the boogeyman you've created in your head.

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:34 pm**

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 4:13 pm My starting lineup for the next game would be:

DH
Coit
Griffen
Kj
HD

Or

DH
Coit
Kj
Bidunga
HD

Dajuan and coit are a poor midmajor backcourt physically. We are talking about a 5'8 guy and a 6'1 guy lacking quickness. There is no reason for those 2 to share the court

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:35 pm**

BiggDick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:18 pm illy, you're ignoring things I'm saying so you can instead put words in my mouth and argue with the boogeyman you've created in your head.

Sorry, when you say things like we need to "run our offense through Storr and Griffen" it's hard to take you seriously. Especially after admitting you didn't watch the game.

They each have opportunities on offense nearly every single possession to make an impact when they're in the game.

If your suggestion is to give the ball to Storr and let him dance around before taking an off balance jump shot, then we just have a philosophical difference in how to win basketball games. Because iso ball is the main way Storr scores the ball and he doesn't convert at a high rate.

17pts on 14shots per game is not good. And resulted in 14 losses for his team.

Storr isn't playing 7 minutes per game. Storr is averaging almost 22 minutes per game. He's getting plenty of opportunity to do well AND to develop for later in the year.

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:39 pm**

Ousdahl: in response to 2 other things said...

Storr is getting the ball going to the basket. He's not fast enough to blow by people, or athletic enough to jump over people, or a good enough shooter to hit the shots he's getting.

Does Rylan deserve to have plays run for him like he's Ben McLemore or Gradey Dick? At 35%? He's getting plenty of looks when he's in. He's shooting over 4 3s per game in under 20min. At 35% do we need him shooting 12 3s per game like he is Jimmer Fredette? Me thinks no.

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:44 pm**

randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:34 pm
DeletedUser wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 4:13 pm My starting lineup for the next game would be:

DH
Coit
Griffen
Kj
HD

Or

DH
Coit
Kj
Bidunga
HD
Dajuan and coit are a poor midmajor backcourt physically. We are talking about a 5'8 guy and a 6'1 guy lacking quickness. There is no reason for those 2 to share the court

Self doesn't want it to be those 2. But Coit is the only 1 hitting shots right now. His quickness was creating some turnovers for us. Zeke isn't hitting shots AND isn't good at defense. And he's turning it over.

Trust me. I don't want it to be Coit. But he gave us the best chance to win today.

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:47 pm**

you're doing it again.

my suggestion is NOT "give the ball to Storr and let him dance around before taking an off balance jump shot." Again, you're just making shit up for the sake of arguing.

And again, you're ignoring things I'm saying, such as the "more so than guys like Dajuan and KJ." Cuz if you think 17 points on 14 shots a game is bad, how about 14 points on 17 shots, like Dajuan's done in the last two games.

Is that really who you wanna run the offense through, instead of trying to get more looks for the guys who were brought in as scorers?

Since I admittedly boycotted this one, tell me: how did Dajuan get so many shots up again? Was it another example of the opponent scheming to play off him and dare him to shoot, so they could over-guard everybody else? Cuz that sounds like a good way to make guys like Griffen and Storr struggle too.

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:51 pm**

BiggDick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:47 pm

Is that really who you wanna run the offense through, instead of trying to get more looks for the guys who were brought in as scorers?

We don't run our offense through Dajuan. He initiates our offense.

There is a huge difference.

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:59 pm**

BiggDick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:47 pm

Since I admittedly boycotted this one, tell me: how did Dajuan get so many shots up again? Was it another example of the opponent scheming to play off him and dare him to shoot, so they could over-guard everybody else? Cuz that sounds like a good way to make guys like Griffen and Storr struggle too.

No, they didn't scheme him like Creighton. They pressured us. They used their length and our strategy of these little lob passes over their length didn't work. Mayo couldn't pass the ball to the correct team. HD kept getting his little handoff passes tipped (because they're predictable because we do the same shit every game), and had 7 turnovers. Kj had issues with Mark Mitchell who was offensive fouling nonstop and not getting called for it. He forced KJ into some bad turnovers. Griffen got a silly flagrant for grabbing a guy around the neck.

Their scheme was to be physical and pressure us. It worked.

If anything, I was wanting DH to shoot it more. I think he missed his last 3 or 4 shots (2 of which were 3s when we were in desperation mode). Otherwise, he wasn't terrible.

At the end of the game we were actually running offense to get Coit shots. And he knocked a few down before missing his last 1 or 2.

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:00 pm**

sure.

we just need to figure out how to let him initiate the offense, rather than let opponents turn him into some kinda volume chucker even tho he isn't one.

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:05 pm**

BiggDick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:00 pm sure.

we just need to figure out how to let him initiate the offense, rather than let opponents turn him into some kinda volume chucker even tho he isn't one.

Part of the problem the last 2 games is Zeke.

He played 26min tonight and took 6 shots. And we were trying to get him looks and he couldn't take or make them.

It's not like we're not trying to get these guys going. Self is trying everything. Hell he tried Clemence and Passmore for a stretch. Passmore was real bad.

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:09 pm**

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:44 pm
randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:34 pm
DeletedUser wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 4:13 pm My starting lineup for the next game would be:

DH
Coit
Griffen
Kj
HD

Or

DH
Coit
Kj
Bidunga
HD
Dajuan and coit are a poor midmajor backcourt physically. We are talking about a 5'8 guy and a 6'1 guy lacking quickness. There is no reason for those 2 to share the court
Self doesn't want it to be those 2. But Coit is the only 1 hitting shots right now. His quickness was creating some turnovers for us. Zeke isn't hitting shots AND isn't good at defense. And he's turning it over.

Trust me. I don't want it to be Coit. But he gave us the best chance to win today.

I agree with this. I'm just now finishing the 2nd half. We played best with dajuan and coit, despite their limited size.

Coit wasn't supposed to be beating these guys out, but was a little spark plug/emergency depth pick up

But then shak got hurt. And zeke rylan and storr have struggled at times

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:10 pm**

how do we have pages of Ous arguing about a game he admittedly didn't watch?

pretty much sums up his board contributions yea?

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:11 pm**

in the postgame presser Self also said he knows who the starters should ultimately be.

I wonder, then, why he's not just rolling with that.

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:12 pm**

because they have to prove it??

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:13 pm**

BiggDick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:11 pm in the postgame presser Self also said he knows who the starters should ultimately be.

I wonder, then, why he's not just rolling with that.

Well, he sort of has.

Zeke Storr and Griffen have all started games.

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:18 pm**

he sort of has NOT.

If he has a particular 5 starters in mind, just go with it, instead of rolling Zeke Storr and Griffen (and Coit) out there for trial runs.

But, I think it's classic Self tinkering with the lineup early. Not too worried about that in itself, so much as I am worried about other issues.

Posted: **Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:20 pm**

BiggDick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:11 pm in the postgame presser Self also said he knows who the starters should ultimately be.

I wonder, then, why he's not just rolling with that.

Dajuan
Zeke
Griffen (maybe storr)
KJ
Hunter

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