Kansas Crimson

Self is for sure tinkering with lineups. Probably playing mind games trying to unlock his guys potential and get them to buy in

BiggDick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:18 pm he sort of has NOT.

If he has a particular 5 starters in mind, just go with it, instead of rolling Zeke Storr and Griffen (and Coit) out there for trial runs.

But, I think it's classic Self tinkering with the lineup early. Not too worried about that in itself, so much as I am worried about other issues.

Then my pick would be DH Zeke Griffen KJ and HD. Storr deserves it the least. It feels like he's actually getting more minutes than he deserves because we paid him so much money. Fran literally said "he's paid to make those shots" after Storr bricked an open shot.

But right now, Coit makes us better than Griffen or Storr. Despite his size.

sure?

I'm not super confident in that lineup.

We def have an issue with our newcomers not being ready to contribute.

But I think the bigger issue yet is our Big 3 core still gonna play like 30+ a game together even though we know they're not a good fit, and even though we knew that after last season but we doubled down anyway.

I love Self to death, but nobody's perfect, and his biggest flaw has prob always has been getting all stubbornly sentimental about these coach's pet favorites who are actually pretty meh.

Fun fact of the day:

David Coit is outrebounding Storr and Griffen this season.

BiggDick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:23 pm But I think the bigger issue yet is our Big 3 core still gonna play like 30+ a game together even though we know they're not a good fit, and even though we knew that after last season but we doubled down anyway.

LOL

I'm shocked.

Didn't watch the game. Blaming our best 3 players (from this game, AND so far this season) for the loss.

Whenever a player gets minutes you don't agree with he's a "pet favorite".

dude, you've worn that talking point far too thin for it to actually jean a thing any more, especially when it's such a shameless attempt to misrepresent all along.

Dajuan KJ and hunter being an awkard fit together is an absolute fact. Last season exposed that. Any decent college coach can draw up gameplans to expose that.

Self hit the portal hard to bring in players with skills that could fit alongside and help mask the weaknesses of " the big 3" and he did a good job recruiting.

But now they are here, and trying to adjust to selfs system and playstyle, and it's going to be a process. Self may need to adjust his coaching style a bit to be understanding of that. You can't break transfers the way you can freshman who still have their whole careers ahead of them

Self has had some highly coveted transfers become busts recently because he killed their confidence trying to break them. Timberlake is a good example. Everyone wanted that dude. He was an elite shooter for 4 years but then couldn't buy a shot at Kansas, because self gave him such a short leash he killed his confidence.

Self needs to let these transfers play through the mistakes a little while they better learn his system. There is no point recruiting and paying them just to kill their confidence and let them ride the bench.

His style worked well with freshman out of high school who would play multiple years and grow into bigger roles. It's a different era now tho, recruiting juniors and seniors with limited time at KU

randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 8:33 pm Dajuan KJ and hunter being an awkard fit together is an absolute fact. Last season exposed that. Any decent college coach can draw up gameplans to expose that.

Self hit the portal hard to bring in players with skills that could fit alongside and help mask the weaknesses of " the big 3" and he did a good job recruiting.

But now they are here, and trying to adjust to selfs system and playstyle, and it's going to be a process. Self may need to adjust his coaching style a bit to be understanding of that. You can't break transfers the way you can freshman who still have their whole careers ahead of them

I don't think DH and HD are an awkward fit together. I think those 2 fit together well. It's KJ that's awkward offensively. But he's not awkward defensively. So it's a conundrum.

Definitely an adjustment period to be expected. What's most worrying is that they're not hitting shots. Shooting is shooting. They aren't hitting open shots they were "paid to make" as Fran put it during the game.

Self has a reoccurring theme of recruiting good transfers who don't hit shots when they get to KU.

I'm convinced it's his short leash style coaching fucking with these guys' confidence

Mayo, Griffin, and Storr have had plenty of opportunity…aka leash

they need pull they’re heads out of their collective asses and quit with the lazy passes and ball control

KUTradition wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 9:49 pm Mayo, Griffin, and Storr have had plenty of opportunity…aka leash

they need pull they’re heads out of their collective asses and quit with the lazy passes and ball control

Against mizzou
Hunter had 7 turnovers
Dajuan had 3
KJ had 3

randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:45 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 9:49 pm Mayo, Griffin, and Storr have had plenty of opportunity…aka leash

they need pull they’re heads out of their collective asses and quit with the lazy passes and ball control

Against mizzou
Hunter had 7 turnovers
Dajuan had 3
KJ had 3

Not that it matters, but 1 of Hunters should go to Zeke for the back cut he abandoned after the ball had been passed.

HD had way too many turnovers, no denying that. But the 1 above and maybe 1 other were more the guys fault he was passing to. At least that's how I felt in real time.

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 6:41 am

randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:45 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 9:49 pm Mayo, Griffin, and Storr have had plenty of opportunity…aka leash

they need pull they’re heads out of their collective asses and quit with the lazy passes and ball control

Against mizzou
Hunter had 7 turnovers
Dajuan had 3
KJ had 3

Not that it matters, but 1 of Hunters should go to Zeke for the back cut he abandoned after the ball had been passed.

HD had way too many turnovers, no denying that. But the 1 above and maybe 1 other were more the guys fault he was passing to. At least that's how I felt in real time.

there were others as well. the raw stats don’t tell the whole story

taking bad shots also qualifies as not taking care of the ball, imo

Dajuan KJ and hunter have basically an unlimited leash. They have plenty of flaws. But they play comfortable and confident because they don't worry about bill yanking them

Bill needs to adjust some. He needs to start instilling confidence in his transfers. Instead of always breaking them down. That just isnt going to translate to the NIL/transfer portal era. If we are going to recruit all these upperclassman 1 and 2 year rentals, bill needs to figure out how to implement and utilize them in the limited time we have them

Orrrr. Bill could get back to recruiting high school guys who he can mold the way he wants, and try to figure out how to keep them around.

Bringing in transfers, there's a lot of playstyle habits and tendencies that have to be broken

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 9:52 am Dajuan KJ and hunter have basically an unlimited leash. They have plenty of flaws. But they play comfortable and confident because they don't worry about bill yanking them

Bill needs to adjust some. He needs to start instilling confidence in his transfers. Instead of always breaking them down. That just isnt going to translate to the NIL/transfer portal era. If we are going to recruit all these upperclassman 1 and 2 year rentals, bill needs to figure out how to implement and utilize them in the limited time we have them

The thing is, he's also had success with transfers.

KM did great. Hunter has done fine. Neither regressed at KU.

Some of these guys just can't cut it against the higher competition. Remy, Storr, Yesufu. These guys aren't ending up as NBA contributors. They're ending up being average or slightly better college players.

Still time for Storr, I'm not giving up. But he doesn't look like a future NBA player to me. He's small. Not super fast or athletic. And not a great shooter.

I don't think it's fair to lay all the blame at Self's feet for Storr or Timberlake or Yesufu underperforming.

I wish this season's team had a player like Remy.

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 9:54 am Orrrr. Bill could get back to recruiting high school guys who he can mold the way he wants, and try to figure out how to keep them around.

Bringing in transfers, there's a lot of playstyle habits and tendencies that have to be broken

Lots of truth there.

Thankfully, recruiting is picking back up.