jfish26 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:27 am
Maybe - and I know this is "out-of-the-box", radical thinking - maybe, if the federal government had, from the top down, taken this seriously - relying on science rather than wishcasting, and prioritizing public health over election results - state and local health departments would not have to fill the leadership void with what is of course a patchwork, inconsistent response.
That's not to absolve state and local officials of criticism for making stupid decisions themselves. They just shouldn't have a leadership vacuum to fill.
Ah.
This is from 11 days after inauguration. It was not the first such story. And they've continued -- mostly with media cheering -- for all of the intervening 38 months.
"LULZ, Trump isn't running anything!"
Except now, apparently, the public health bureaucracy, cuz...sumthin, sumthin'...
Where TH are the "Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwe!" &/or the "Today In: Not Good!" threads?
In the second tweet, advance the video to ~ 28.30, and check out the video of the droplets and micro-droplets people spew when coughing, sneezing, and talking loudly.
Re: Where's the petri dish thread?
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:15 am
by Shirley
The second tweet is an interesting site dedicated to making it as easy as possible to make your own masks, using:
Non-woven polypropylene (NWPP) Bags
Despite being called “non-woven”, NWPP is pressed with a cross pattern that gives it a woven appearance. A common source of NWPP is reusable shopping bags.
Look for reusable grocery bags with a cross-hatch pattern, no insulation or waterproofing. Hold it up to your nose / mouth, you should be able to breathe through it. NWPP bags can be safely laundered....
Re: Where's the petri dish thread?
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:25 am
by Shirley
Yikes! Can you imagine what it's like to be a passenger on that ship?
A cruise ship scheduled to arrive in Florida this week has reported at least 189 people are suffering flu-like symptoms on board.
Holland America's Zaandam began transiting the Panama Canal late Sunday night after being docked off the coast of Panama for several days. The boat and its occupants have been in limbo for weeks awaiting permission to disembark after several South American ports denied the ship's entry.
Four people have died aboard the ship, the cruise line announced Friday. At least two people tested positive for coronavirus on the ship on Thursday, according to Holland America.
jfish26 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:27 am
Maybe - and I know this is "out-of-the-box", radical thinking - maybe, if the federal government had, from the top down, taken this seriously - relying on science rather than wishcasting, and prioritizing public health over election results - state and local health departments would not have to fill the leadership void with what is of course a patchwork, inconsistent response.
That's not to absolve state and local officials of criticism for making stupid decisions themselves. They just shouldn't have a leadership vacuum to fill.
Ah.
This is from 11 days after inauguration. It was not the first such story. And they've continued -- mostly with media cheering -- for all of the intervening 38 months.
"LULZ, Trump isn't running anything!"
Except now, apparently, the public health bureaucracy, cuz...sumthin, sumthin'...
If it's that there are people throughout agencies that are not Trump sycophants...ok, yes, agree, but not sure that a three-year old story is the best vehicle for that point.
Otherwise - my point is that the messaging from the top (and, generally, everyone else public-facing) has been disastrously, egregiously and recklessly contrary to the science and logic of all this. And that, in the absence of competent leadership and messaging from the top, state and local agencies have had to wing it.
Olympics scheduled for July 23, 2021. I know a lot of people brush off the Olympics, but I love them. I was really looking forward to them this summer.
Olympics scheduled for July 23, 2021. I know a lot of people brush off the Olympics, but I love them. I was really looking forward to them this summer.
I love the Olympics too.
Re: Where's the petri dish thread?
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:04 am
by Shirley
While likely only a drop in the bucket, this is pretty cool:
One of the most pressing shortages facing hospitals during the Covid-19 emergency is a lack of ventilators. These machines can keep patients breathing when they no longer can on their own, and they can cost around $30,000 each. Now, a rapidly assembled volunteer team of engineers, physicians, computer scientists, and others, centered at MIT, is working to implement a safe, inexpensive alternative for emergency use, which could be built quickly around the world.
The team, called MIT E-Vent (for emergency ventilator), was formed on March 12, 2020, in response to the rapid spread of the Covid-19 pandemic. Its members were brought together by the exhortations of doctors, friends, and a sudden flood of mail referencing a project done a decade ago in the MIT class 2.75 (Medical Device Design). Students working in consultation with local physicians designed a simple ventilator device that could be built with about $100 worth of parts. They published a paper detailing their design and testing, but the work ended at that point. Now, with a significant global need looming, a new team, linked to that course, has resumed the project at a highly accelerated pace.
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Re: Where's the petri dish thread?
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:14 am
by MICHHAWK
And the florida governor is threatening to bar the cruise ship from docking in florida. Says the passengers could be a drain on Florida’s resources. Millions of spring breakers, come on down.
That’s what we call “funny business.”
Re: Where's the petri dish thread?
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:16 am
by Deleted User 307
When this is all over, you'll be able to get on a cruise for a used sock and some Zebra Stripes gum.
jfish26 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:27 am
Maybe - and I know this is "out-of-the-box", radical thinking - maybe, if the federal government had, from the top down, taken this seriously - relying on science rather than wishcasting, and prioritizing public health over election results - state and local health departments would not have to fill the leadership void with what is of course a patchwork, inconsistent response.
That's not to absolve state and local officials of criticism for making stupid decisions themselves. They just shouldn't have a leadership vacuum to fill.
Ah.
This is from 11 days after inauguration. It was not the first such story. And they've continued -- mostly with media cheering -- for all of the intervening 38 months.
"LULZ, Trump isn't running anything!"
Except now, apparently, the public health bureaucracy, cuz...sumthin, sumthin'...
If it's that there are people throughout agencies that are not Trump sycophants...ok, yes, agree, but not sure that a three-year old story is the best vehicle for that point.
Otherwise - my point is that the messaging from the top (and, generally, everyone else public-facing) has been disastrously, egregiously and recklessly contrary to the science and logic of all this. And that, in the absence of competent leadership and messaging from the top, state and local agencies have had to wing it.
The point is that it is incredibly disingenuous to spend three-plus years celebrating and encouraging the professional bureaucracy to defy and embarrass the elected executive and then to turn around and blame that same executive when the professional bureaucracy fucks up.
This is from 11 days after inauguration. It was not the first such story. And they've continued -- mostly with media cheering -- for all of the intervening 38 months.
"LULZ, Trump isn't running anything!"
Except now, apparently, the public health bureaucracy, cuz...sumthin, sumthin'...
If it's that there are people throughout agencies that are not Trump sycophants...ok, yes, agree, but not sure that a three-year old story is the best vehicle for that point.
Otherwise - my point is that the messaging from the top (and, generally, everyone else public-facing) has been disastrously, egregiously and recklessly contrary to the science and logic of all this. And that, in the absence of competent leadership and messaging from the top, state and local agencies have had to wing it.
The point is that it is incredibly disingenuous to spend three-plus years celebrating and encouraging the professional bureaucracy to defy and embarrass the elected executive and then to turn around and blame that same executive when the professional bureaucracy fucks up.
But how is that at all relevant to my point? I'm not blaming Trump for the "professional bureaucracy" fucking up. I'm blaming him for not acknowledging that a train is coming, despite standing on the tracks, hearing a train whistle and seeing billowing smoke getting closer.
If it's that there are people throughout agencies that are not Trump sycophants...ok, yes, agree, but not sure that a three-year old story is the best vehicle for that point.
Otherwise - my point is that the messaging from the top (and, generally, everyone else public-facing) has been disastrously, egregiously and recklessly contrary to the science and logic of all this. And that, in the absence of competent leadership and messaging from the top, state and local agencies have had to wing it.
The point is that it is incredibly disingenuous to spend three-plus years celebrating and encouraging the professional bureaucracy to defy and embarrass the elected executive and then to turn around and blame that same executive when the professional bureaucracy fucks up.
But how is that at all relevant to my point? I'm not blaming Trump for the "professional bureaucracy" fucking up. I'm blaming him for not acknowledging that a train is coming, despite standing on the tracks, hearing a train whistle and seeing billowing smoke getting closer.
OK. That's fair and accurate.
But...how is that relevant to MY point (which was made in the OP in this sub-thread) that our public health bureaucracies are not just woefully unprepared but also resistant to acting boldly?
Re: Where's the petri dish thread?
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:17 pm
by jfish26
I guess I'll just go where I was going originally, which is: our public health bureaucracies, particularly on a state and local level, should be in a "follow" stance on something like this. They should not have room to make bad decisions, on a macro level.
I understand that the idea of federalized anything is unpleasant. But I do agree with the idea that this is akin to national defense matters. The mission should have come from the top, with state and local leaders and agencies being empowered to implement, and supported in implementing, a rational and coherent national strategy.