Kansas Crimson

cool!

I wonder if this will actually be a ceasefire, or if it'll be like the recent "ceasefire" between Israel and Lebanon for which the two sides agreed to a ceasefire but Israel kept bombing Lebanon anyway.

So will it really be a ceasefire where IDF can just walk around Gaza not having to worry about getting shot? I would think they should find all the tunnels. Not sure Hamas would hold up their end of a bargain while the IDF is digging around.

"Indeed, we assess that Hamas has recruited almost as many new militants as it has lost."

- Antony Blinken

sooo


The whole narrative or whatever about how the ceasefire deal was brokered by Trump…

Wondering what will Hamas do when there no more Jewish hostages (to kill)?


Kinda sad really, all they’ll have left is a bunch of rubble and dust. Maybe Iran will help them rebuild.

It was always about Iran helping Putin using the Palestinians as pawns to give the Ukraine invasion some momentum by diverting resources and stirring up the Ousdahls. Might have gotten Trump elected.

“It’s a phenomenal location.”





How long til we get Trump Tower Gaza?

BiggDick wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 7:34 pm “It’s a phenomenal location.”





How long til we get Trump Tower Gaza?

I'll see your Trump Tower Gaza and raise you a Trump Heights Israel/Golan Heights.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48656431

Trump’s illegal stop-work order on global foreign aid means, among other things, our Gaza relief efforts stop.

What Gaza relief efforts?

The ones that there were more of before this order than there are after it.

Ousdahl really did the Palestinians a solid by pretending there was no choice in the last election. That will age well.

more vote shaming...sigh.

Biden's attempt to gain political capital with the performative withholding of a handful of 2000 pound bombs did not make up for the massive amount of political capital he had already pissed away from all the weapons he already did provide, and continued to piss away by continuing to provide anyway.

And Harris, by both being part of that administration and by also doubling down pretty much verbatim on Biden's policies in her campaign, suffered the same fate.

We've already established that it would have been worth it for Harris to dial back support for Israel's destruction of Gaza, even if for no other reason than potentially picking up just enough more votes to beat Trump.

And yet...

Holy moly.

So it was “performative” for Biden to have withheld weapons Israel would have used to kill Gazans.

But also one of Biden’s failures is that he just didn’t make enough honks and grunts and pleas in support of progressive legislation that had no hope whatsoever of passing.

Alright.

I'm not sure what progressive legislation you're referring to, particularly in the context of this thread.

And it's not that it's "performative" for Biden to "have withheld weapons Israel would have used to kill Gazans." That's not what Biden did. If Biden, or Harris, DID withheld weapons, they just might have won last November.

The performative element is that Biden withheld a handful of 2000 pound bombs for the sake of little more than talking points about exercising restraint, as he nonetheless had provided so many weapons that caused so much destruction already, and nonetheless continued to provide so many other weapons that caused so much more destruction yet, despite Israel defying so many of the "red lines" Biden otherwise imposed, and even after Netanyahu had been charged with war crimes to boot.

If houses in your buddy's neighborhood keep burning down, and your buddy is suspected of doing it, and you keep giving him 5 gallon cans of gasoline and matches every time he asks for more, how much difference would it make for you to start giving him only 3 gallon cans instead?

If you give him more gas cans on the condition that, "now let's hope the big house on the corner doesn't burn down too," and shortly thereafter the big house on the corner coincidentally burns down too, would you keep giving him gas cans then?

If your buddy eventually gets charged with arson, would you keep giving him gas cans then?

And if everyone else in town is pissed off at you too cuz they know you're continuing to provide all those gas cans and matches, do you think anyone's gonna give a shit if you say, "hey but at least I stopped giving him 5 gallon cans!"

BiggDick wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:36 pm I'm not sure what progressive legislation you're referring to, particularly in the context of this thread.

And it's not that it's "performative" for Biden to "have withheld weapons Israel would have used to kill Gazans." That's not what Biden did. If Biden, or Harris, DID withheld weapons, they just might have won last November.

The performative element is that Biden withheld a handful of 2000 pound bombs for the sake of little more than talking points about exercising restraint, as he nonetheless had provided so many weapons that caused so much destruction already, and nonetheless continued to provide so many other weapons that caused so much more destruction yet, despite Israel defying so many of the "red lines" Biden otherwise imposed, and even after Netanyahu had been charged with war crimes to boot.

I would ask you to go back to your many posts dissecting the 2024 election results, in which you say that Harris’s chances would have been improved if Biden had pursued impossible-to-pass legislation.

That's all valid.

Biden (or Harris!) could have (at least) pursued more "impossible-to-pass" (but otherwise very popular) legislation.

But, as for the thread we're in and the particular elephant-in-the-room of a progressive issue here...you yourself, fish, said pumping the brakes on Gaza would have been worth it if it also meant beating Trump...sigh

BiggDick wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:45 pm That's all valid.

Biden (or Harris!) could have (at least) pursued more "impossible-to-pass" (but otherwise very popular) legislation.

But, as for the thread we're in and the particular elephant-in-the-room of a progressive issue here...you yourself, fish, said pumping the brakes on Gaza would have been worth it if it also meant beating Trump...sigh

While you seem quite confident that Harris would have won if only she'd have worked harder for the pro-Palestinian vote, (based primarily on a poll done by a pro-Palestinian organization), you never seem to factor in or give any consideration to how many votes Harris would have lost from people who support Israel, if she had done so.

My guess is it would have been > 0.