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Maybe. But per team is also really low. Only ACC is lower.
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NewtonHawk11 wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 1:36 pm Maybe. But per team is also really low. Only ACC is lower.
yeah, it was just a thought

the math proves me wrong
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Those numbers just show how important it is to have good football teams.
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NDballer13 wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 2:50 pm Those numbers just show how important it is to have good football teams.
And why KU isn't on solid ground like many think when it comes to next round of realignment. Football HAS to show some competent football in the next few years.
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maybe i’m alone on this, but i think the realignment boat has sailed. the tv model is ever-changing, and i don’t see it driving any additional substantial changes in conference membership
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F the GOP, also.

Why KU and K-State are worried about falling behind Mizzou (and others) in NIL race

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-c ... 71963.html
The issue is Name, Image and Likeness legislation. In Missouri, the bill cruised through both the house and senate and awaits final approval from the governor.

“It’s very helpful to me as a coach,” Mizzou men’s basketball coach Cuonzo Martin said.

“There’s going to be a lot of opportunity for us to take advantage of it in a positive way,” MU football coach Eli Drinkwitz said.

In Kansas, similar legislation is essentially frozen. The reasons why deserve a fuller explanation, which we’ll get to soon, but first let’s spell out exactly what this means at the moment:

A recruit can hear a coach from Mizzou talk about potential financial opportunities available from businesses based on their and their school’s popularity, and if they ask a coach from a university in Kansas about the same issue they’ll essentially see a human shrug emoji.

“If you’re recruiting a kid in Kansas City, if he picks Missouri over Kansas we’re dealing with apples and oranges,” KU men’s basketball coach Bill Self said. “It’s not going to be a level playing field.”

[...]

The story of how Kansas got to this point is interesting. NIL passed in the Kansas house by a vote of 95-29, but senate president Ty Masterson attached NIL to a bill that would ban transgender athletes from women’s sports. The combined bill is essentially stuck.

Masterson did not return voicemails and texts in recent days seeking clarification about why he attached the bills together, but he recently told the Topeka Capital-Journal: “The most notable female athletes, absent this kind of protection, could potentially (be) biologically male, and we don’t want to create more confusion or (incentivize) more discrimination against our young women.”

The reporting for this column included conversations with several stakeholders in Kansas college sports, none of whom said they understood what Masterson meant by that or why the trans ban should be attached to NIL.

[...]

So, Kansas stands alone here and its college sports teams could suffer.

Remember when college sports was obsessed with “full cost of attendance” payments?

“Those things are not even going to be mentioned again,” Self said. “It’s going to be all about Name, Imagine and Likeness, and, ‘What can I do, how I can I earn things with my popularity at a school that draws interest and has the support that yours does?’ And if you can’t get anything, then you’re going to be recruiting with one or two arms tied behind your back.”

[...]

The legislation itself has dozens of details yet to be worked out, whether NIL officially comes from the NCAA (best), Congress (OK but problematic) or individual states (woof). There are issues like ensuring NIL deals aren’t cover for paying recruits to choose a school, what constitutes market value, and what businesses are allowed.

Those are conversations that schools in Kansas don’t have the luxury of immersing themselves in. At the moment, they’re just trying to make sure they’re not left behind.
Subtext: Bill - who is rarely this candid and direct on an issue - is telling you, State of Kansas, that he's gone if he can't compete in recruiting because of your bullshit.
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another attempted bill for a problem that doesn’t really exist
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Man, the whole trans issue sure got pushed into the limelight in a hurry.
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it’s a great idea, to further ostracize a group of people (children in particular) that are already shunned by a non-insignificant portion of our society
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And I hope the comment fits here without getting too pols boredy as a whole, but I feel like trans rights are the hot button social issue being pushed so as to distract from economic equality and other issues.

We can’t have NIL rights cuz KS hitches it to trans bills, great.
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ousdahl wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 9:49 am And I hope the comment fits here without getting too pols boredy as a whole, but I feel like trans rights are the hot button social issue being pushed so as to distract from economic equality and other issues.

We can’t have NIL rights cuz KS hitches it to trans bills, great.
It's just another culture war totem. The controversy and sides-taking is the point. The issue itself is ancillary.
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Yeah. You put it better than I
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sorry to stay political, but it’s kinda funny

these are the exact moves that further restrict the voting base for pubs...it likely just pisses off another demographic whose numbers are only increasing
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TraditionKU wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 9:59 am sorry to stay political, but it’s kinda funny

these are the exact moves that further restrict the voting base for pubs...it likely just pisses off another demographic whose numbers are only increasing
While I cannot say that I speak from experience on the point, I suspect that one is not especially concerned with whether a circle jerk is comprised of ten people or nine.
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Just a warning, pdub will be the 'bad' guy here.
Please, no politics on the sports boreds.
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Giggle.
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this is as about as legitimate as it gets when it comes to a cross-over topic
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TraditionKU wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 11:15 am this is as about as legitimate as it gets when it comes to a cross-over topic
Is it even cross-over though? NIL is the fundamental issue in college basketball right now, at a macro level.

This isn't "mixing" sports and politics. "Mixing" implies an act of, you know, stirring one thing into another.

This shit is done pureed into a fine paste.
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mmm, sports/pols pesto.

Throw a little mint in there while we’re at it!
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jfish26 wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 11:22 am
TraditionKU wrote: Fri May 21, 2021 11:15 am this is as about as legitimate as it gets when it comes to a cross-over topic
Is it even cross-over though? NIL is the fundamental issue in college basketball right now, at a macro level.

This isn't "mixing" sports and politics. "Mixing" implies an act of, you know, stirring one thing into another.

This shit is done pureed into a fine paste.
true

and any mixing done was by KS legislators anyway
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