Re: 2024
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 1:01 pm
Overlander, who is currently on your ignore list, made this post.
Lulz.
Lulz.
the sickest of sick burns
lulz indeed
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Re: 2024
Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:32 pm
Re: 2024
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:02 am
Tim Scott out.
Re: 2024
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:14 pm
A Trump-Biden Rematch Is the Election We Need
By Carlos Lozada, NYT Opinion Columnist
Joe Biden versus Donald Trump is not the choice America wants. But it is the choice we need to face.
Yes, both men are unpopular, remarkably so. Only a third of Americans view President Biden favorably, and two-thirds of Democrats and Democratic-leaning voters want to nominate someone else for the presidency (no one in particular, just someone else, please). Trump is the overwhelming favorite to become the Republican nominee for the third consecutive time, but his overall approval rating is lower than Biden’s. And while 60 percent of voters don’t want to put Trump back in the White House, 65 percent don’t want to hand Biden a second term, either. The one thing on which Americans seem to agree is that we find a Biden-Trump 2024 rematch entirely disagreeable.
This disdain may reflect the standard gripes about the candidates. (One is too old, the other too Trump.) But it also may signal an underlying reluctance to acknowledge the meaning of their standoff and the inescapability of our decision. A contest between Biden and Trump would compel Americans to either reaffirm or discard basic democratic and governing principles. More so than any other pairing, Biden versus Trump forces us to decide, or at least to clarify, who we think we are and what we strive to be.
Trump is running as an overtly authoritarian candidate — the illusion of pivots, of adults in the room, of a man molded by the office, is long gone. He is dismissive of the law, except when he can harness it for his benefit; of open expression, except when it fawns all over him; and of free elections, except when they produce victories he likes. He has called for the “termination” of the Constitution based on his persistent claims of 2020 electoral fraud, and according to The Washington Post, in a new term he would use the Justice Department as an instrument of vengeance against political opponents. We know who Trump is and what he offers.
Biden’s case to the electorate — for 2020, 2022 and 2024 — has been premised on the preservation of American democratic traditions. In the video announcing his 2020 campaign, he asserted that “our very democracy” was at stake in the race against Trump. In a speech two months before the midterm vote last year, he asserted that Trump and his allies “represent an extremism that threatens the very foundation of our Republic.” And the video kicking off his 2024 re-election bid featured multiple scenes of the assault on the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. “The question we are facing,” Biden said, “is whether in the years ahead we have more freedom or less freedom.” That is our choice in 2024.
Like so many others, I also wish we could avoid that choice or at least defer it. As the journalist Amy Walter has put it, “Swing voters would rather eat a bowl of glass than have to choose between Trump and Biden again.” Well, it may be time to grab a spoon and unroll the gauze. When half the country believes democracy isn’t working well, when calls for political violence have become commonplace, when the speaker of the House is an election denier, it is time to face what we risk becoming and to accept or reject it. We have no choice but to choose.
Even if some combination of poor health and legal proceedings somehow pushed Biden and Trump aside — and some blandly likable generic candidates took their places — we could not simply rewind the past eight years and return to our regularly scheduled programming. America would still face the choices and temptations that Biden and Trump have come to represent; the choice would not change, even if the faces did.
A recent New York Times/Siena College poll that shows Trump leading Biden in five battleground states also asked registered voters which candidate they trust on key questions. Trump won on the economy, immigration and national security; Biden received higher marks on just two issues. The first was abortion, a core priority among Democratic voters and one that proved powerful in last year’s midterms and the off-year elections and ballot initiatives last Tuesday in states like Ohio, Kentucky and Virginia.
The second issue on which Biden commands greater trust? By a slim margin, it is democracy. This advantage is pronounced among Black voters, who trust Biden over Trump by 77 to 16 percent on democracy, and Hispanic voters, who prefer Biden by 53 to 38 percent. (White voters, by contrast, sided with Trump 50 to 44 percent on that issue.) The protection of American democracy offers a potentially resonant message for Biden, precisely among parts of the Democratic coalition that he can ill afford to lose.
Oddly, even as the electorate seems to want little to do with either of these two candidates — let alone with both at the same time — Biden and Trump seem to need each other. Biden’s case for saving American democracy loses some urgency if Trump is not in the race; I can’t imagine, say, a Nikki Haley nomination eliciting as much soul-of-America drama from the president. Similarly, Trump’s persecution complex, always robust, is strengthened with Biden as his opponent; the former president can make the case that his indictments and trials represent the efforts of the incumbent administration — and Trump’s political rival — to keep him down. After all, neither Gretchen Whitmer nor Gavin Newsom runs the Department of Justice.
Of course, we already faced this choice — and made it — in 2020. Why insist on a do-over? Because a country approaching its 250th birthday does not have the luxury of calling itself an experiment forever; this is the moment to assess the results of that experiment. Because Jan. 6 was not the final offensive by those who would overrun the will of voters. Because a lone Trump victory in 2016 could conceivably be remembered as an aberration if it were followed by two consecutive defeats, but a Trump restoration in 2024 would confirm America’s slide toward authoritarian rule and would render Biden’s lone term an interregnum, a blip in history’s turn. And we must choose again because the fever did not break; instead, it threatens to break us.
By Carlos Lozada, NYT Opinion Columnist
Joe Biden versus Donald Trump is not the choice America wants. But it is the choice we need to face.
Yes, both men are unpopular, remarkably so. Only a third of Americans view President Biden favorably, and two-thirds of Democrats and Democratic-leaning voters want to nominate someone else for the presidency (no one in particular, just someone else, please). Trump is the overwhelming favorite to become the Republican nominee for the third consecutive time, but his overall approval rating is lower than Biden’s. And while 60 percent of voters don’t want to put Trump back in the White House, 65 percent don’t want to hand Biden a second term, either. The one thing on which Americans seem to agree is that we find a Biden-Trump 2024 rematch entirely disagreeable.
This disdain may reflect the standard gripes about the candidates. (One is too old, the other too Trump.) But it also may signal an underlying reluctance to acknowledge the meaning of their standoff and the inescapability of our decision. A contest between Biden and Trump would compel Americans to either reaffirm or discard basic democratic and governing principles. More so than any other pairing, Biden versus Trump forces us to decide, or at least to clarify, who we think we are and what we strive to be.
Trump is running as an overtly authoritarian candidate — the illusion of pivots, of adults in the room, of a man molded by the office, is long gone. He is dismissive of the law, except when he can harness it for his benefit; of open expression, except when it fawns all over him; and of free elections, except when they produce victories he likes. He has called for the “termination” of the Constitution based on his persistent claims of 2020 electoral fraud, and according to The Washington Post, in a new term he would use the Justice Department as an instrument of vengeance against political opponents. We know who Trump is and what he offers.
Biden’s case to the electorate — for 2020, 2022 and 2024 — has been premised on the preservation of American democratic traditions. In the video announcing his 2020 campaign, he asserted that “our very democracy” was at stake in the race against Trump. In a speech two months before the midterm vote last year, he asserted that Trump and his allies “represent an extremism that threatens the very foundation of our Republic.” And the video kicking off his 2024 re-election bid featured multiple scenes of the assault on the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. “The question we are facing,” Biden said, “is whether in the years ahead we have more freedom or less freedom.” That is our choice in 2024.
Like so many others, I also wish we could avoid that choice or at least defer it. As the journalist Amy Walter has put it, “Swing voters would rather eat a bowl of glass than have to choose between Trump and Biden again.” Well, it may be time to grab a spoon and unroll the gauze. When half the country believes democracy isn’t working well, when calls for political violence have become commonplace, when the speaker of the House is an election denier, it is time to face what we risk becoming and to accept or reject it. We have no choice but to choose.
Even if some combination of poor health and legal proceedings somehow pushed Biden and Trump aside — and some blandly likable generic candidates took their places — we could not simply rewind the past eight years and return to our regularly scheduled programming. America would still face the choices and temptations that Biden and Trump have come to represent; the choice would not change, even if the faces did.
A recent New York Times/Siena College poll that shows Trump leading Biden in five battleground states also asked registered voters which candidate they trust on key questions. Trump won on the economy, immigration and national security; Biden received higher marks on just two issues. The first was abortion, a core priority among Democratic voters and one that proved powerful in last year’s midterms and the off-year elections and ballot initiatives last Tuesday in states like Ohio, Kentucky and Virginia.
The second issue on which Biden commands greater trust? By a slim margin, it is democracy. This advantage is pronounced among Black voters, who trust Biden over Trump by 77 to 16 percent on democracy, and Hispanic voters, who prefer Biden by 53 to 38 percent. (White voters, by contrast, sided with Trump 50 to 44 percent on that issue.) The protection of American democracy offers a potentially resonant message for Biden, precisely among parts of the Democratic coalition that he can ill afford to lose.
Oddly, even as the electorate seems to want little to do with either of these two candidates — let alone with both at the same time — Biden and Trump seem to need each other. Biden’s case for saving American democracy loses some urgency if Trump is not in the race; I can’t imagine, say, a Nikki Haley nomination eliciting as much soul-of-America drama from the president. Similarly, Trump’s persecution complex, always robust, is strengthened with Biden as his opponent; the former president can make the case that his indictments and trials represent the efforts of the incumbent administration — and Trump’s political rival — to keep him down. After all, neither Gretchen Whitmer nor Gavin Newsom runs the Department of Justice.
Of course, we already faced this choice — and made it — in 2020. Why insist on a do-over? Because a country approaching its 250th birthday does not have the luxury of calling itself an experiment forever; this is the moment to assess the results of that experiment. Because Jan. 6 was not the final offensive by those who would overrun the will of voters. Because a lone Trump victory in 2016 could conceivably be remembered as an aberration if it were followed by two consecutive defeats, but a Trump restoration in 2024 would confirm America’s slide toward authoritarian rule and would render Biden’s lone term an interregnum, a blip in history’s turn. And we must choose again because the fever did not break; instead, it threatens to break us.
Re: 2024
Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:50 am
Today In: Where'd I put my fainting couch, because, I swoon?
One might conclude from seeing President Biden's approval/disapproval rating that he's in trouble in New Hampshire:
Biden's approval rating in New Hampshire is 37%
Biden's disapproval rating in New Hampshire is 53%
"One might" be wrong:
#trumptotherescueagain
Interesting to see how much lower the support for RFK Jr is in New England compared to the country as a whole, but then, the people in New England very likely know him much better.
DeSantis in 4th place?
NEW HAMPSHIRE POLL with
@7News
2024 GOP Primary
(movement since August)
Trump 49% (+/-0)
Haley 18% (+14)
Christie 9% (+/-0)
DeSantis 7% (-1)
Ramaswamy 5% (+2)
Scott 2% (-4)
Burgum 2% (-2)
9% undecided
One might conclude from seeing President Biden's approval/disapproval rating that he's in trouble in New Hampshire:
Biden's approval rating in New Hampshire is 37%
Biden's disapproval rating in New Hampshire is 53%
"One might" be wrong:
#trumptotherescueagain
Interesting to see how much lower the support for RFK Jr is in New England compared to the country as a whole, but then, the people in New England very likely know him much better.
DeSantis in 4th place?
NEW HAMPSHIRE POLL with
@7News
2024 GOP Primary
(movement since August)
Trump 49% (+/-0)
Haley 18% (+14)
Christie 9% (+/-0)
DeSantis 7% (-1)
Ramaswamy 5% (+2)
Scott 2% (-4)
Burgum 2% (-2)
9% undecided
Re: 2024
Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:20 am
Scott's already gone, and Burgum was never really there.Shirley wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:50 am Today In: Where'd I put my fainting couch, because, I swoon?
One might conclude from seeing President Biden's approval/disapproval rating that he's in trouble in New Hampshire:
Biden's approval rating in New Hampshire is 37%
Biden's disapproval rating in New Hampshire is 53%
"One might" be wrong:
#trumptotherescueagain
Interesting to see how much lower the support for RFK Jr is in New England compared to the country as a whole, but then, the people in New England very likely know him much better.
DeSantis in 4th place?
NEW HAMPSHIRE POLL with
@7News
2024 GOP Primary
(movement since August)
Trump 49% (+/-0)
Haley 18% (+14)
Christie 9% (+/-0)
DeSantis 7% (-1)
Ramaswamy 5% (+2)
Scott 2% (-4)
Burgum 2% (-2)
9% undecided
Vivek isn't going to go away; networks will have to stop giving him free airtime to make that happen.
But, if Christie's and Haley's principles are where they say they are, then what they should do is hang in there long enough for DeSantis to take the walk of shame (you know, the walk his boots were made for), and THEN - holding about 30-35% combined - one of them drops (and the other is left, still hopeless against Trump, but with enough support to fatally break him in the general).
Re: 2024
Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:16 pm
how about some more Jill Stein?
Re: 2024
Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 3:20 pm
How about we treat every single Monday like we treat New Years Day, and every office drone in America signs every email sent on every Thursday and Friday with "Talk to you next year haha!"
Re: 2024
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 7:40 am
Thanks, that reminds me, I need to start the process of obtaining Canadian dual citizenship...
Re: 2024
Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 7:41 am
It couldn't happen to a bigger prick. Unfortunately, when DeFascist finally admits he's much too unlikeable to win the republican nomination, he'll turn his attention back to making life in Florida even worse.
DeSantis super PAC head quits, latest blow to struggling Republican's presidential bid
The head of a political action committee (PAC) supporting Republican Ron DeSantis resigned on Wednesday, dealing a further blow to the Florida governor's struggling White House campaign.
Chris Jankowski, the chief executive of Never Back Down, the main super PAC backing DeSantis's bid to become the Republican presidential nominee, quit after he said in a statement provided to Reuters that his position had become "untenable."
Jankowski's resignation follows departures from within the orbit of DeSantis' embattled presidential bid this year, including the firing of about two dozen campaign staffers in July and the replacement of his campaign manager in August.
Although super PACs are not legally allowed to coordinate with campaigns, Never Back Down and the DeSantis campaign have pushed those boundaries. Never Back Down has organized events across the country at which DeSantis has appeared and has assumed other functions usually carried out by campaigns...
Jankowski's statement hinted at internal divisions within the super PAC over not just strategy, but spending.
"Never Back Down's main goal and sole focus has been to elect Governor Ron DeSantis as President. Given the current environment it has become untenable for me to deliver on the shared goal and that goes well beyond a difference of strategic opinion."
[...]
DeSantis super PAC head quits, latest blow to struggling Republican's presidential bid
The head of a political action committee (PAC) supporting Republican Ron DeSantis resigned on Wednesday, dealing a further blow to the Florida governor's struggling White House campaign.
Chris Jankowski, the chief executive of Never Back Down, the main super PAC backing DeSantis's bid to become the Republican presidential nominee, quit after he said in a statement provided to Reuters that his position had become "untenable."
Jankowski's resignation follows departures from within the orbit of DeSantis' embattled presidential bid this year, including the firing of about two dozen campaign staffers in July and the replacement of his campaign manager in August.
Although super PACs are not legally allowed to coordinate with campaigns, Never Back Down and the DeSantis campaign have pushed those boundaries. Never Back Down has organized events across the country at which DeSantis has appeared and has assumed other functions usually carried out by campaigns...
Jankowski's statement hinted at internal divisions within the super PAC over not just strategy, but spending.
"Never Back Down's main goal and sole focus has been to elect Governor Ron DeSantis as President. Given the current environment it has become untenable for me to deliver on the shared goal and that goes well beyond a difference of strategic opinion."
[...]
Re: 2024
Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:13 pm
If only.KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:52 pm https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/43 ... se-it/amp/
Re: 2024
Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:17 pm
I think - I think - what happened in the Colorado case is that the judge wanted to give the appellate courts every opportunity to make the legal conclusion that the judge herself, for whatever reason*, could not. You can see this in the judge making all relevant findings of fact (Trump engaged in an insurrection), but bizarrely** concluded that the President - and the President alone - is apparently the single elected position in our government that is not subject to the Constitutional clause in question.
* Judges are humans. Humans are susceptible to abandoning their principles out of fear. It is reasonable as FUCK to fear the fringe right. I can't say that I wouldn't have done the exact same thing.
** Riddle me this, Thomas Jefferson fans: you're really gonna tell me, with a straight face, that the Constitution was intentionally designed in such a fashion as for the disqualification clause to apply to every single elected federal official EXCEPT - checks notes - the one MOST uniquely positioned to overthrow the government?
* Judges are humans. Humans are susceptible to abandoning their principles out of fear. It is reasonable as FUCK to fear the fringe right. I can't say that I wouldn't have done the exact same thing.
** Riddle me this, Thomas Jefferson fans: you're really gonna tell me, with a straight face, that the Constitution was intentionally designed in such a fashion as for the disqualification clause to apply to every single elected federal official EXCEPT - checks notes - the one MOST uniquely positioned to overthrow the government?
Re: 2024
Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:19 pm
It is a "fact" that "Trump engaged in an insurrection"?
Re: 2024
Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:30 pm
That's what the Colorado judge found, yes.DeletedUser wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:19 pm It is a "fact" that "Trump engaged in an insurrection"?
And, if I understand correctly, the appellate courts are entitled to rely on that finding of fact and examine the legal conclusion at a fairly moderate standard (they do not need to find anything like "obvious error", I think).
This is what I mean when I say that, as I understand it, the judge appears to have put this on a very specific footing.
Re: 2024
Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:44 pm
Interesting.jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:30 pmThat's what the Colorado judge found, yes.DeletedUser wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:19 pm It is a "fact" that "Trump engaged in an insurrection"?
And, if I understand correctly, the appellate courts are entitled to rely on that finding of fact and examine the legal conclusion at a fairly moderate standard (they do not need to find anything like "obvious error", I think).
This is what I mean when I say that, as I understand it, the judge appears to have put this on a very specific footing.
Re: 2024
Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:21 am
To anyone with eyes/ears……YES!DeletedUser wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:19 pm It is a "fact" that "Trump engaged in an insurrection"?