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I have no need nor desire to extend the olive branch across the aisle to people like that. Many on that side of the aisle are openly stating that they relate more to Putin's white Christian value than they do Joe Biden's white Christian values so I'd rather they stay over on their side of the aisle. I don't want those people on my side of anything.
It's like the 4 years of celebrating bad things to "own" the right never happened...
It is an incorrect assumption that "to own the right" is why people spent time documenting the disgusting actions taken by the GOP during Trump's term. The only reason anyone would think that was the case is to fit into a silly "both sides do it" claim after the fact.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:47 pmIt's like the 4 years of celebrating bad things to "own" the right never happened...
It was wrong then and it is wrong now.
Aren't we tired of "winning" yet?
Some of the actions "documented" definitely deserved it. But many of them didn't.twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:58 pmIt is an incorrect assumption that "to own the right" is why people spent time documenting the disgusting actions taken by the GOP during Trump's term. The only reason anyone would think that was the case is to fit into a silly "both sides do it" claim after the fact.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:47 pmIt's like the 4 years of celebrating bad things to "own" the right never happened...
It was wrong then and it is wrong now.
Aren't we tired of "winning" yet?
Here's a fundamental difference.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:01 pmSome of the actions "documented" definitely deserved it. But many of them didn't.twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:58 pmIt is an incorrect assumption that "to own the right" is why people spent time documenting the disgusting actions taken by the GOP during Trump's term. The only reason anyone would think that was the case is to fit into a silly "both sides do it" claim after the fact.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:47 pm
It's like the 4 years of celebrating bad things to "own" the right never happened...
It was wrong then and it is wrong now.
Aren't we tired of "winning" yet?
Neither side cheers for the other side to do well. Don't kid yourself.
I mean, in the context of elections, of course "neither side cheers for the other side to do well." Not kidding myself there.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:01 pmSome of the actions "documented" definitely deserved it. But many of them didn't.twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:58 pmIt is an incorrect assumption that "to own the right" is why people spent time documenting the disgusting actions taken by the GOP during Trump's term. The only reason anyone would think that was the case is to fit into a silly "both sides do it" claim after the fact.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:47 pm
It's like the 4 years of celebrating bad things to "own" the right never happened...
It was wrong then and it is wrong now.
Aren't we tired of "winning" yet?
Neither side cheers for the other side to do well. Don't kid yourself.
Trump definitely changed the "game". And GOP definitely took it to 11. Fully agree. And never have claimed "both sides do it" to equal degree.PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:13 pmHere's a fundamental difference.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:01 pmSome of the actions "documented" definitely deserved it. But many of them didn't.twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:58 pm
It is an incorrect assumption that "to own the right" is why people spent time documenting the disgusting actions taken by the GOP during Trump's term. The only reason anyone would think that was the case is to fit into a silly "both sides do it" claim after the fact.
Neither side cheers for the other side to do well. Don't kid yourself.
We used to wait to react. Meaning, let's say there's a conflict with one country invading another. In a pre-Trump world, we'd wait to see how the current administration reacted and then voice our concern/offer our support. And yes, it almost always was partisan.
But now, we don't even do that. People were blaming Biden for what Putin was doing before there was even something to complain about. I don't remember that happening in history before. Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump would not have been blamed for a shit-head dictator attacking his neighbor. They might have been blamed for reacting slowly, or not reacting strongly enough, or overreacting, or whatever, but not blamed in advance like we saw last week.
I was there with you with the 'both sides do it' pre-trump, but this current GOP is an entirely different animal. They've taken it to 11.
I grew up in a very partisan country, but both sides put America first. I no longer think that's the case and MAGA-types put party (Trump) above all else. I Don't remember any democrats siding with Sadam Hussein or Osama Bin-Laden because they thought they were better than Bush or Bush. And the republicans used to not do this kind of shit either before Trump.
I just watched posters on this very site almost celebrate every time an unvaxxed GOPer died of covid.jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:56 pm
I mean, in the context of elections, of course "neither side cheers for the other side to do well." Not kidding myself there.
But, more generally? Not only do I think hard-right people carry more ill will toward hard-left people than vice versa, I would suggest that it's simply wrong to say that "the left," generally, does in fact not want a lot of "the right" to do well.
They died of Covid because they chose to ignore science, as well as a safe and free vaccine.BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:05 pmI just watched posters on this very site almost celebrate every time an unvaxxed GOPer died of covid.jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:56 pm
I mean, in the context of elections, of course "neither side cheers for the other side to do well." Not kidding myself there.
But, more generally? Not only do I think hard-right people carry more ill will toward hard-left people than vice versa, I would suggest that it's simply wrong to say that "the left," generally, does in fact not want a lot of "the right" to do well.
I think both sides hate each other enough for it to be problematic, regardless of who is worse about it or who did it first. It's a problem.
Quoting before the delete/editMjl wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:27 pm Sigh. Fuck it, I'm with the three crazies on that one. Just to make a point. It's already a hate crime if you kill someone because of their race. How did something like that make it to the top of the priority list. It doesn't affect anyone in any way at all.
This is why we can't break up Microsoft and Google and Amazon, or do a hundred other things, because we're busy with virtue signaling bills?
What do you pay your chiropractor to uncoil your spine every day?BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:02 pm [
Trump definitely changed the "game". And GOP definitely took it to 11. Fully agree. And never have claimed "both sides do it" to equal degree. ....but
If it’s not a difficult choice why not just vote on the virtue and get it out of the way? Is it because it goes against your bigotry and that of your constituents?Mjl wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:27 pm Sigh. Fuck it, I'm with the three crazies on that one. Just to make a point. It's already a hate crime if you kill someone because of their race. How did something like that make it to the top of the priority list. It doesn't affect anyone in any way at all.
This is why we can't break up Microsoft and Google and Amazon, or do a hundred other things, because we're busy with virtue signaling bills?
Cascadia's mom does it for free thankfully. Otherwise I'd be poor as hell and whining about the rich like Qusdahl.japhy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:47 amWhat do you pay your chiropractor to uncoil your spine every day?BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:02 pm [
Trump definitely changed the "game". And GOP definitely took it to 11. Fully agree. And never have claimed "both sides do it" to equal degree. ....but
Pointing out the irony of someone dying after spreading antivax bullshit isn't cheering against someone simply for being on the other side. It is an "I told you so" to someone who died taking a political stance against something because they saw it as being for the other side. Do you understand the difference?BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:05 pmI just watched posters on this very site almost celebrate every time an unvaxxed GOPer died of covid.jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:56 pm
I mean, in the context of elections, of course "neither side cheers for the other side to do well." Not kidding myself there.
But, more generally? Not only do I think hard-right people carry more ill will toward hard-left people than vice versa, I would suggest that it's simply wrong to say that "the left," generally, does in fact not want a lot of "the right" to do well.
I think both sides hate each other enough for it to be problematic, regardless of who is worse about it or who did it first. It's a problem.