Kansas Crimson

no, it’s the “others” fault

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:14 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:29 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:21 am

Capacity is a subjective construct. Are we talking capacity by First World or Third World standards? Personally, I'm not down with living at Third World capacity. Been there, done that. It sucks.

This is just detached from reality. I assume you've spent time abroad. Even setting aside gobs and gobs of space out west that are self-evidently NOT supportive to being major population centers, we simply do not have capacity problems to worry about.

You're assuming that the immigrant population will spread out to those low-density areas. Reality is that they tend to congregate in larger metropolitan areas where they are more likely to go undetected and can live with family and friends. Laredo and San Antonio both theoretically have room for more, but I can tell you from driving the roads and living on the power grids, it ain't true. You couldn't pay me enough to go back there.

I do not think Texas' power grid problems are remotely attributable to "too many brown people".

Although I do think a great many things Abbott does/allows are, ah, indifferent to their wellbeing.

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:42 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:38 pm

Sparko wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:22 pm "They" are people. Looking to live with dignity and respect. Spain created a lot of colonial misery they exploited for their European luxury. Worse, we contributed to the climate emergency in a huge way that is adding to the immigration numbers. And it will get worse.

So, because of what Spain did centuries ago, I owe it to other people to sacrifice my standard of living? That's ridiculous.

Did you not look around the neighborhood prior to renting that house? Sounds like you chose that standard of living (if this happened).

There was a six month waiting list for apartments and rental homes were pretty tough to come by. We weren’t going to buy until we knew we wanted to stay. We were the only new faculty that semester who didn’t end up living in student housing.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:16 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:14 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:29 am

This is just detached from reality. I assume you've spent time abroad. Even setting aside gobs and gobs of space out west that are self-evidently NOT supportive to being major population centers, we simply do not have capacity problems to worry about.

You're assuming that the immigrant population will spread out to those low-density areas. Reality is that they tend to congregate in larger metropolitan areas where they are more likely to go undetected and can live with family and friends. Laredo and San Antonio both theoretically have room for more, but I can tell you from driving the roads and living on the power grids, it ain't true. You couldn't pay me enough to go back there.

I do not think Texas' power grid problems are remotely attributable to "too many brown people".

Although I do think a great many things Abbott does/allows are, ah, indifferent to their wellbeing.

You’re the only one saying brown people.

"brown people" is for the shock and awe.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:33 pm "brown people" is for the shock and awe.

Yup. That and “rubes.”

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 2:02 pm

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:33 pm "brown people" is for the shock and awe.

Yup. That and “rubes.”

I anxiously await your creation of a post about what a drain on society the more than half million people who overstay their Visas are on the US system and your call to end the Visa system as well as the programs for foreign workers and students.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:22 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:16 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:14 pm

You're assuming that the immigrant population will spread out to those low-density areas. Reality is that they tend to congregate in larger metropolitan areas where they are more likely to go undetected and can live with family and friends. Laredo and San Antonio both theoretically have room for more, but I can tell you from driving the roads and living on the power grids, it ain't true. You couldn't pay me enough to go back there.

I do not think Texas' power grid problems are remotely attributable to "too many brown people".

Although I do think a great many things Abbott does/allows are, ah, indifferent to their wellbeing.

You’re the only one saying brown people.

That's just the quiet part you won't quite say out loud. What else did you have in mind when talking about an "immigrant population" that might settle in "Laredo and San Antonio" to be with "family and friends"?

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:33 pm "brown people" is for the shock and awe.

No, it's because people shouldn't be able to hide behind fig leaves. Call a spade a spade.

oh, c’mon…that’s psych’s plausible (lol) deniability

them white christian males are a dying breed, donchaknow

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:05 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:22 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:16 pm

I do not think Texas' power grid problems are remotely attributable to "too many brown people".

Although I do think a great many things Abbott does/allows are, ah, indifferent to their wellbeing.

You’re the only one saying brown people.

That's just the quiet part you won't quite say out loud. What else did you have in mind when talking about an "immigrant population" that might settle in "Laredo and San Antonio" to be with "family and friends"?

People here illegally?

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:11 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:05 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:22 pm

You’re the only one saying brown people.

That's just the quiet part you won't quite say out loud. What else did you have in mind when talking about an "immigrant population" that might settle in "Laredo and San Antonio" to be with "family and friends"?

People here illegally?

Do illegal immigrants from, I don't know, Madagascar, tend to settle near their family and friends in Laredo?

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:18 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:11 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:05 pm

That's just the quiet part you won't quite say out loud. What else did you have in mind when talking about an "immigrant population" that might settle in "Laredo and San Antonio" to be with "family and friends"?

People here illegally?

Do illegal immigrants from, I don't know, Madagascar, tend to settle near their family and friends in Laredo?

Absolutely. Sweden, too.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:38 pm

Sparko wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:22 pm "They" are people. Looking to live with dignity and respect. Spain created a lot of colonial misery they exploited for their European luxury. Worse, we contributed to the climate emergency in a huge way that is adding to the immigration numbers. And it will get worse.

So, because of what Spain did centuries ago, I owe it to other people to sacrifice my standard of living? That's ridiculous.

Yeah. You solve problems by understanding their root cause. Why are people leaving? Why would they risk your venom and razor wire to escape? How did colonialism contribute to the morass and economic chaos? Did America, God forbid, contribute to solutions or exacerbate colonial repression? The Vice President is working on getting corporations to donate to solutions to the human debacle. She has raised about a billion dollars so far with the goal of stabilizing Central America to incentivize staying home. Creating jobs and economic stability is the answer.

Sparko wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 7:55 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:38 pm

Sparko wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:22 pm "They" are people. Looking to live with dignity and respect. Spain created a lot of colonial misery they exploited for their European luxury. Worse, we contributed to the climate emergency in a huge way that is adding to the immigration numbers. And it will get worse.

So, because of what Spain did centuries ago, I owe it to other people to sacrifice my standard of living? That's ridiculous.

Yeah. You solve problems by understanding their root cause. Why are people leaving? Why would they risk your venom and razor wire to escape? How did colonialism contribute to the morass and economic chaos? Did America, God forbid, contribute to solutions or exacerbate colonial repression? The Vice President is working on getting corporations to donate to solutions to the human debacle. She has raised about a billion dollars so far with the goal of stabilizing Central America to incentivize staying home. Creating jobs and economic stability is the answer.

And the same corrupt drug kingpins that are in control now will take that billion dollars, pocket it, and laugh in our face. Shut and lock the doors and they will go elsewhere.

If you’re referring to putting those who hire the undocumented workers behind bars, shut and lock the doors and they (undocumented workers) will go elsewhere, then you’re absolutely correct.

If someone enters the country on a legal tourist visa less than six months ago they are not in the country illegally. If they seek and are given employment there are two people who break the law. Why only punish one of them?

I’ve said this before. The problem remains unsolved not because it can’t be solved. It’s in the best interests of powerful people for it to remain unsolved. Politicians will lose a facile cudgel if the immigration problem is fixed. LGBTQ and immigrants are the modern day bread-and-circus for the MAGA cult

zsn wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 8:35 pm If you’re referring to putting those who hire the undocumented workers behind bars, shut and lock the doors and they (undocumented workers) will go elsewhere, then you’re absolutely correct.

If someone enters the country on a legal tourist visa less than six months ago they are not in the country illegally. If they seek and are given employment there are two people who break the law. Why only punish one of them?

I’ve said this before. The problem remains unsolved not because it can’t be solved. It’s in the best interests of powerful people for it to remain unsolved. Politicians will lose a facile cudgel if the immigration problem is fixed. LGBTQ and immigrants are the modern day bread-and-circus for the MAGA cult

Thanks, I learned something new.

"Bread and circuses" (or bread and games; from Latin: panem et circenses) is a metonymic phrase referring to superficial appeasement. It is attributed to Juvenal (Satires, Satire X), a Roman poet active in the late first and early second century CE, and is used commonly in cultural, particularly political, contexts.

In a political context, the phrase means to generate public approval, not by excellence in public service or public policy, but by diversion, distraction, or by satisfying the most immediate or base requirements of a populace,[1] by offering a palliative: for example food (bread) or entertainment (circuses).

Juvenal originally used it to decry the "selfishness" of common people and their neglect of wider concerns.[2][3][4] The phrase implies a population's erosion or ignorance of civic duty as a priority.[5]

DOJ sues tejas and abbott over the use of buoyed nets in the Rio Grand

KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:54 pm DOJ sues tejas and abbott over the use of buoyed nets in the Rio Grand

Well, duh. He’s supposed to just let the Feds do their job and stand idly by as they are overrun.