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Qusdahl wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:07 am Since I apparently must really clarify: I’m anti-war. By anyone anywhere. INCLUDING PUTIN AND RUSSIA. And including this “Azov battalion” in the Ukraine. Anyone know what’s up with them?

Apparently they’re the nazi-infested extremist group that’s been propped up as part of the ruling regime by….some alliance or another…since 2014, and during that time has allegedly killed 14000 civilians in that area.

* allegedly. I dunno what I’m talking about here. I just saw some tweets. Pics like this floating around.



But I haven’t verified it. I dunno what to believe! But having grown up in the area of Prime Time Wars on CNN, to make no effort to understand anything beyond the narrative being spoon fed to us, seems about as wise as believing there were WMDs all over Iraq too.

And since I have to clarify these things: I didn’t support Saddam Hussein either! It’s just that I didn’t support W and Cheney’s Keystone Kop imperialist occupation either, either.

It’s almost like one isn’t even allowed to be anti-war, tho. Like Q requires me to take a side. Sigh.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:55 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:44 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:05 am what alliance did Ukraine join?

it sure as hell isn’t NATO

I am becoming more and more convinced this isn’t, for Putin, about NATO/military issues, so much as ideological matters:

absolutely part of it, and i think the Novalny issue and demonstrations happening now across russia support that idea

what’s funny, is that the majority of Ukrainians weren’t even in favor of joining NATO until the annexation of Crimea

sdoyel wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:10 am I don’t mean for this to sound insensitive for the people of Ukraine, but doesn’t this current “invasion” by Putin’s army look pretty damn weak?

Is this by design? Taking the paths of least resistance and reducing risk of casualties?

Is this a product of Ukraine not showing resistance?

Thoughts?

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:51 am
putin’s campaign of distraction working perfectly

you’re smarter than this

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:28 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:51 am
putin’s campaign of distraction working perfectly

you’re smarter than this

No I ain’t!

Wait, nm. Thanks for keeping me grounded.

All I’m saying tho, is the truth is somewhere in the middle. I hope that doesn’t have to be a controversial take.

So I guess my question is, how can you be so sure the only propaganda and “campaign of distraction” we need to worry about, is Putin’s?

and again, I AM NOT SUPPORTING PUTIN.

I’m trying to figure out some context beyond tweet-deep. There’s been at least 8 years of drama there, so to act like this Russian aggression is happening suddenly and spontaneously and in a vacuum, just seems like an oversimplified campaign of distraction in itself.

I think imma go look for some news media from other sources around the world, to see how those shithole counties are perceiving it.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:18 am

sdoyel wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:10 am I don’t mean for this to sound insensitive for the people of Ukraine, but doesn’t this current “invasion” by Putin’s army look pretty damn weak?

Is this by design? Taking the paths of least resistance and reducing risk of casualties?

Is this a product of Ukraine not showing resistance?

Thoughts?

It's really hard to ascertain the bottom line here, as sources are unreliable.

Russia has no incentive to broadcast wins (which necessarily will involve dead and maimed non-combatants) and active incentive to mask losses (see, for example, the (to-me) extraordinary step of bringing mobile crematoriums to the proceedings).

Ukraine has every incentive to broadcast wins, and also no incentive to mask losses (although it very much has an incentive to broadcast civilian casualties and other things in the nature of war crimes).

I do think - and absolutely I do hope - that Putin bit off way more than he could chew.

I would love it to be true that (1) the geography makes this a taller task than the Russian forces can handle, (2) the Russian forces are indeed poorly-trained and unmotivated and (3) Ukraine's will can make up, at least for a time, for the vast qualitative and quantitative advantages of the Russians.

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:28 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:51 am
putin’s campaign of distraction working perfectly

you’re smarter than this

No I ain’t!

Wait, nm. Thanks for keeping me grounded.

All I’m saying tho, is the truth is somewhere in the middle. I hope that doesn’t have to be a controversial take.

So I guess my question is, how can you be so sure the only propaganda and “campaign of distraction” we need to worry about, is Putin’s?

and again, I AM NOT SUPPORTING PUTIN.

I’m trying to figure out some context beyond tweet-deep. There’s been at least 8 years of drama there, so to act like this Russian aggression is happening suddenly and spontaneously and in a vacuum, just seems like an oversimplified campaign of distraction in itself.

I think imma go look for some news media from other sources around the world, to see how those shithole counties are perceiving it.

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:28 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:51 am
putin’s campaign of distraction working perfectly

you’re smarter than this

No I ain’t!

Wait, nm. Thanks for keeping me grounded.

All I’m saying tho, is the truth is somewhere in the middle. I hope that doesn’t have to be a controversial take.

So I guess my question is, how can you be so sure the only propaganda and “campaign of distraction” we need to worry about, is Putin’s?

and again, I AM NOT SUPPORTING PUTIN.

I’m trying to figure out some context beyond tweet-deep. There’s been at least 8 years of drama there, so to act like this Russian aggression is happening suddenly and spontaneously and in a vacuum, just seems like an oversimplified campaign of distraction in itself.

I think imma go look for some news media from other sources around the world, to see how those shithole counties are perceiving it.

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:08 am Where did I give credibility to anything Putin said?

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:18 am oushdale is a russia lover. i can see that.

sdoyel wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:55 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:18 am

sdoyel wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:10 am I don’t mean for this to sound insensitive for the people of Ukraine, but doesn’t this current “invasion” by Putin’s army look pretty damn weak?

Is this by design? Taking the paths of least resistance and reducing risk of casualties?

Is this a product of Ukraine not showing resistance?

Thoughts?

It's really hard to ascertain the bottom line here, as sources are unreliable.

Russia has no incentive to broadcast wins (which necessarily will involve dead and maimed non-combatants) and active incentive to mask losses (see, for example, the (to-me) extraordinary step of bringing mobile crematoriums to the proceedings).

Ukraine has every incentive to broadcast wins, and also no incentive to mask losses (although it very much has an incentive to broadcast civilian casualties and other things in the nature of war crimes).

I do think - and absolutely I do hope - that Putin bit off way more than he could chew.

I would love it to be true that (1) the geography makes this a taller task than the Russian forces can handle, (2) the Russian forces are indeed poorly-trained and unmotivated and (3) Ukraine's will can make up, at least for a time, for the vast qualitative and quantitative advantages of the Russians.

My fear is Putin gets frustrated and decides to nuke them...