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[jfish26]

OK so you are triggered by the transabled thing. If a man wants to identity as being disabled, even though he clearly is not, we don't seem to want to accept that. Because it makes no sense

Now let's try transracial. Let's say jfish is a white man, who wants to identity as a black man instead. He expects everyone to affirm his blackness and recognize him for that identity. Do we accept that jfish is now a black man? Even though he clearly has white genetics

I know you are very eager to take your echo chamber gobbledygook grievance fuel for a walk, but just to be 100% clear: absolutely nobody here brought up “transabled” until you did, when you could not answer a question about whether anyone who takes medication is categorically “mentally ill” because it is messing with their god-given body chemistry.

Nobody would have brought it up.

[randylahey]

Normal. As in the body you naturally exist in. Not the one you are undergoing treatments to try to obtain. It's simple

So, anyone taking medication of any kind is "mentally ill?"

I ignored this question because you took it completely out of context. Did u say "medication of any kind" ?

No obviously not. I was referring hormone treatment

[randylahey]

The point is I don't see any of you trying to defend the sanity of someone being transabled or transracial. It's no different than being transgendered

When you create a seperate identity from reality... it's delusional

[Overlander]

There we have it.

Once again, Randy’s superior intellect has rightfully struck us down.

We are blessed to have such a complex and powerful mind to show us the way.

[Overlander]

Fortunately, there is a video of Randy throwing his knowledge at some folks that aren’t on his intellectual level.

https://youtu.be/SjJYNZirQCU?si=VPIP7k9hzGOTCUrc

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

The point is I don't see any of you trying to defend the sanity of someone being transabled or transracial. It's no different than being transgendered

When you create a seperate identity from reality... it's delusional

The point is, we were discussing transgender.
I don't try and defend the sanity of people who enjoy eating liver when I am discussing pizza.
Being transabled or transracial is no different that being transgendered? What about transportation and transponders? Are they no different?
OH! You meant a person believing that are something YOU feel they are not.
Let's play YOUR game for a minute.

My guess is many if not the majority of people who believe someone is insane for believing that they are transabled or transracial, are people who believe God impregnated a woman named Mary without sexual intercourse and she had a child named Jesus. They believe many, if not most, if not all, of the bullshit stories in the Bible. Hey, I would like to think insanity loves company. I guess not.
How's this? I believe we are ALL insane - in many different ways.
I'm just glad I have YOU to be the ultimate decider on who and what YOU decide is insane and letting me know who and what I am supposed to feel is insane.

All that being said, I don't fully understand transgenderism, transablism, transracialism, etc., etc.
What I do fully understand is that people are different and there is not a single person I have met who I believe has the same exact beliefs as I have.
You feel someone is "insane" for believing they are something they feel they are but YOU feel they are not. I get that. So be it.
Now I am going to ask you something.
I used to sit in a support group for an hour every Monday. My guess is YOU would have felt everyone in that group was "insane". So, would YOU listen to those people, try and understand those in the group's problems, and try and help those people, or would you walk out of the room saying fuck those people, they're all nuts?
I accepted those people for who they were. I listened to and tried to support those people. I could be wrong, but I felt it made me a better person by doing as such. Imagine that.

[jfish26]

Normal. As in the body you naturally exist in. Not the one you are undergoing treatments to try to obtain. It's simple

So, anyone taking medication of any kind is "mentally ill?"

I ignored this question because you took it completely out of context. Did u say "medication of any kind" ?

No obviously not. I was referring hormone treatment

Ok.

So my son, who took daily shots for years because of a growth hormone deficiency - mentally ill?

You’re going to tell me I’m taking things out of context again, and that of course you’re referring only to certain types of hormone treatments to treat certain conditions in certain people.

All of which adds up to you considering your own opinion on gender and sexual norms as FACT.

And it is that idiocy - there are other words for it, too - that makes your point of view irrelevant.

[ousdahl]

the longer randy persists in this thread, the more likely I think it sounds like he:

1. got catfished like by a dude

2. actually kinda liked it

[randylahey]

the longer randy persists in this thread, the more likely I think it sounds like he:

1. got catfished like by a dude

2. actually kinda liked it

Lol. Well you're persisting in the thread too ous... something you want to tell us?

Also what does that mean about your obsession with Russia then

[ousdahl]

Okay, fine, you got me.

I’ll be performing a drag show at the Sputnik Lounge this weekend. It’s that divey place with the hammer and sickle on the sign down the street from the satellite shack. My stage name is Naughty Nadia. You might not recognize me tho cuz my costume looks like big head mode from Goldeneye on Nintendo 64.

See you there randy. You’re welcome to buy me all the drinks you’d like, yes I know I do have pretty eyes, but I’m still not going home with you.

[randylahey]

Okay, fine, you got me.

I’ll be performing a drag show at the Sputnik Lounge this weekend. It’s that divey place with the hammer and sickle on the sign down the street from the satellite shack. My stage name is Naughty Nadia. You might not recognize me tho cuz my costume looks like big head mode from Goldeneye on Nintendo 64.

See you there randy. You’re welcome to buy me all the drinks you’d like, yes I know I do have pretty eyes, but I’m still not going home with you.

With enough Russian vodka, anything is possible

[twocoach]

OK so you are triggered by the transabled thing. If a man wants to identity as being disabled, even though he clearly is not, we don't seem to want to accept that. Because it makes no sense

Now let's try transracial. Let's say jfish is a white man, who wants to identity as a black man instead. He expects everyone to affirm his blackness and recognize him for that identity. Do we accept that jfish is now a black man? Even though he clearly has white genetics

What's funny is that you think this cornball slippery slope "what if" should be taken seriously.

[jfish26]

What's not so funny is that dehumanizing trans people (like Randy does) results in ... well, I don't even know how to summarize.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/p ... f-embryos/

[There are] a compendium of depressingly sad news stories concerning the beating death of Nex Benedict, a trans student at Owasso High School. There seems to be a concerted effort in the local media to soft-pedal the story behind Benedict's killing. This has been an ungainly dive through the distasteful loophole that Benedict didn't die immediately. From KMRG, and note the headline ["16-year-old Owasso student who died unexpectedly was laid to rest"]:

An Owasso student, 16-year-old Nex Benedict, who died unexpectedly last week was laid to rest on Thursday. According to their obituary, Benedict enjoyed nature, drawing, and reading and loved her cat named Zeus. Police are investigating Benedict’s death. They say Benedict got into a fight at school, went to the hospital, and was released, but was rushed back the next day before they passed away. Police don’t know if the student’s death was related to the fight. They say they are waiting on the autopsy and toxicology report from the medical examiner’s office.

"Unexpectedly"? "Got into a fight"? What the bloody hell is this about? A preliminary autopsy report says that Benedict did not die "from trauma." The response at the time of the incident by the high school was strangely murky. They did not alert the police? There's a lot of light on this story right now, which is a good thing. And [a tipster] points us toward a possible force in the local zeitgeist. From the Oklahoman:

The 2024 legislative session in Oklahoma is seeing over 50 bills targeting members of the LGBTQ+ community, especially transgender Oklahomans. The American Civil Liberties Union is tracking anti-LGBTQ+ bills in 40 states, and Oklahoma leads the pack with 54 bills. From bans on gender-affirming health care to penalizing public school employees for asking a student their pronouns, here's a breakdown of the anti-LGBTQ+ bills in this legislative session.

Who could have anticipated it?

I would say that I wish we could see what Randy and his ilk would say in this situation if Nex was his child.

But, no, I really wouldn't wish that at all.

[KUTradition]

shocked…shocked, i tell you, that this would happen in oklahoma

[jfish26]

shocked…shocked, i tell you, that this would happen in oklahoma

Ah yeah, missed that that's what set all of this off anew.

[Sparko]

That story gutted me. It should cause a national revulsion against Christo Fascism.

[KUTradition]

“We are a religious state and we are going to fight it to keep that filth out of the state of Oklahoma because we are a Christian state,” state Sen. Tom Woods (R) said during a public forum on Friday, as heard in audio obtained by the left-leaning group Media Matters for America.

[zsn]

Was his next sentence “It says so right here in the Bible and the Constitution, Book of Sermons of Jesus Delivered While Riding the Triceratops, Chapter 4, verses 12-17”

[KUTradition]

randi’s ilk…

The Facebook post was not out of the norm for the member of the Utah State Board of Education, a woman known for her hard-right views: It showed a high school girls’ basketball team in the Salt Lake City area and falsely suggested one player was transgender.

But it ignited a firestorm.

While the post triggered a torrent of derogatory threats that prompted the student’s school district to provide her with security, it also prompted condemnation from across the spectrum in this deeply conservative state. The legislature censured board member Natalie Cline and blasted her for a “repugnant attack.” The governor called her action an “unconscionable” case of harassment. Others condemned her for bullying a child.

All of this month’s outrage has been cold comfort to transgender Utahns and their advocates, however. They view Cline’s post as the alarming yet predictable outcome of anti-trans state policies that they believe encourage vigilantism — including a law to bar transgender girls from competing on girls’ sports teams. The latest controversy, they say, has only buttressed the idea that being identified as transgender is a slur.

“If it really was a trans person, would we have gotten the same reaction?” asked Sue Robbins, a transgender activist in Salt Lake City. “Or would we have had an outcry against that trans person?”

Transgender rights advocates see a witch-hunt type atmosphere spreading as states enact a flurry of laws seeking to restrain trans people. Utah last year prohibited gender-affirming care for minors and in January passed a law requiring people to use bathrooms and locker rooms in public schools and government buildings that align with the sex they were assigned at birth.

More than 20 states have passed bans on transgender girls’ participation on sports teams, with Ohio the latest after lawmakers in January overrode a veto by Republican Gov. Mike DeWine. In Florida, which in 2021 passed one of the nation’s first “fairness in women’s sports” laws, state athletics officials last year fined a Broward County high school for allowing a trans athlete to compete in girls’ volleyball, outing the student in the process.

Proponents of such laws counter that public accusations, true or false, are the result of transgender activism itself.

“We live in strange times when it is normal to pause and wonder if people are what they say they are because of the push to normalize transgenderism in our society,” Cline wrote Feb. 7 as part of an apology on her Facebook page after she removed the offensive post. She did not respond to a request for comment for this story.

It was not the first time such questions about student athletes’ gender have become public in Utah. In January, the Canyons School District barred a “belligerent” parent from attending basketball games at one high school after he twice approached principals at a junior varsity game to question whether a girl on the opposing team was transgender, district spokesman Jeff Haney said.

And in 2022, after the sports ban passed, a representative of the Utah High School Activities Association told lawmakers it had received complaints when a student “doesn’t look feminine enough” and investigated an athlete who won first place at a state competition. Without notifying the parents or student, spokesman David Spatafore said, the association and schools scoured the athlete’s records back to kindergarten and determined “she’d always been a female.”

That ban was initially vetoed by Gov. Spencer Cox (R), who described it as overly punitive for the four trans students who were then among the 75,000 high school athletes in Utah. “Rarely has so much fear and anger been directed at so few,” Cox wrote. He later expressed concern about parents questioning athletes’ genders. “We’ve become sore losers,” he said, “looking for any reason our kid lost.”…

(WashPo)

[jfish26]

randi’s ilk…

The Facebook post was not out of the norm for the member of the Utah State Board of Education, a woman known for her hard-right views: It showed a high school girls’ basketball team in the Salt Lake City area and falsely suggested one player was transgender.

But it ignited a firestorm.

While the post triggered a torrent of derogatory threats that prompted the student’s school district to provide her with security, it also prompted condemnation from across the spectrum in this deeply conservative state. The legislature censured board member Natalie Cline and blasted her for a “repugnant attack.” The governor called her action an “unconscionable” case of harassment. Others condemned her for bullying a child.

All of this month’s outrage has been cold comfort to transgender Utahns and their advocates, however. They view Cline’s post as the alarming yet predictable outcome of anti-trans state policies that they believe encourage vigilantism — including a law to bar transgender girls from competing on girls’ sports teams. The latest controversy, they say, has only buttressed the idea that being identified as transgender is a slur.

“If it really was a trans person, would we have gotten the same reaction?” asked Sue Robbins, a transgender activist in Salt Lake City. “Or would we have had an outcry against that trans person?”

Transgender rights advocates see a witch-hunt type atmosphere spreading as states enact a flurry of laws seeking to restrain trans people. Utah last year prohibited gender-affirming care for minors and in January passed a law requiring people to use bathrooms and locker rooms in public schools and government buildings that align with the sex they were assigned at birth.

More than 20 states have passed bans on transgender girls’ participation on sports teams, with Ohio the latest after lawmakers in January overrode a veto by Republican Gov. Mike DeWine. In Florida, which in 2021 passed one of the nation’s first “fairness in women’s sports” laws, state athletics officials last year fined a Broward County high school for allowing a trans athlete to compete in girls’ volleyball, outing the student in the process.

Proponents of such laws counter that public accusations, true or false, are the result of transgender activism itself.

“We live in strange times when it is normal to pause and wonder if people are what they say they are because of the push to normalize transgenderism in our society,” Cline wrote Feb. 7 as part of an apology on her Facebook page after she removed the offensive post. She did not respond to a request for comment for this story.

It was not the first time such questions about student athletes’ gender have become public in Utah. In January, the Canyons School District barred a “belligerent” parent from attending basketball games at one high school after he twice approached principals at a junior varsity game to question whether a girl on the opposing team was transgender, district spokesman Jeff Haney said.

And in 2022, after the sports ban passed, a representative of the Utah High School Activities Association told lawmakers it had received complaints when a student “doesn’t look feminine enough” and investigated an athlete who won first place at a state competition. Without notifying the parents or student, spokesman David Spatafore said, the association and schools scoured the athlete’s records back to kindergarten and determined “she’d always been a female.”

That ban was initially vetoed by Gov. Spencer Cox (R), who described it as overly punitive for the four trans students who were then among the 75,000 high school athletes in Utah. “Rarely has so much fear and anger been directed at so few,” Cox wrote. He later expressed concern about parents questioning athletes’ genders. “We’ve become sore losers,” he said, “looking for any reason our kid lost.”…

(WashPo)

Yes.

At the height of the steroid panic era in baseball, I felt that one thing that was grossly overlooked was that the uninformed, eye-test speculation of who was and wasn't using was unfairly damaging non-users.

History doesn't always echo, but it sure as shit rhymes.