Foreign aid to ukraine

[ousdahl]

I’ll prob respond more later particularly to fish’s post

But, I’ve identified several similarities between Ukraine and Vietnam.

Several here now have claimed distinctions between the two, but have called to identify them.

Would anyone care to?

Since I’m too stupid to do so myself, ya know

[jfish26]

this, is absolutely nothing like Vietnam. Good grief.


There's ignorant and there's stupid.

Ignorance can be changed with information and education.

You can't fix stupid.

I keep holding out hope that ignorance is the culprit here.

What WOULD be like Vietnam, is Russia attacking Poland, and us fulfilling our treaty obligations.

that would be closer...but even then, not as egregious.

I only meant in terms of human and material costs to the US.

[TDub]

What WOULD be like Vietnam, is Russia attacking Poland, and us fulfilling our treaty obligations.

that would be closer...but even then, not as egregious.

I only meant in terms of human and material costs to the US.

ah, yea, that's probably fair.

[ousdahl]

Could you imagine if Biden was using the big chair to side step congress and get shit done not for weapons sales to right wing ethno-militant foreign gummints, but anything that might actually benefit the US people?

Anything at all!

Healthcare or housing or debt or weed or infrastructure or anything! Improved with the stroke of a pen! (Or at least performatively gestured toward)

Who knows…maybe even Biden could make himself popular enough to not be so vulnerable to loose reelection!

[TDub]

see my previous post.

I'm still holding out hope, but, it's waning.

[DeletedUser]

Ceasefire NOW!

Is this thing broken?

[Shirley]

Could you imagine if Biden was using the big chair to side step congress and get shit done not for weapons sales to right wing ethno-militant foreign gummints, but anything that might actually benefit the US people?

Anything at all!

Healthcare or housing or debt or weed or infrastructure or anything! Improved with the stroke of a pen! (Or at least performatively gestured toward)

Who knows…maybe even Biden could make himself popular enough to not be so vulnerable to loose reelection!

"Anything at all!"?

smh

As of December 22, 2023, President Joe Biden (D) had signed 128 executive orders...

Each of these presidential documents is different in authority and implementation. Executive orders are directives written by the president to officials within the executive branch requiring them to take or stop some action related to policy or management. They are numbered, published in the Federal Register, and cite the authority by which the president is making the order.[1][2]



October 2023
Executive Order on the Safe, Secure, and Trustworthy Development and Use of Artificial Intelligence (October 30, 2023)

September 2023
Executive Order on the Continuance of Certain Federal Advisory Committees and Amendments to Other Executive Orders (September 29, 2023)
Executive Order on Ensuring the People of East Palestine Are Protected Now and in the Future (September 20, 2023)

August 2023
Executive Order on United States Coast Guard Officer Personnel Management (August 14, 2023)
Executive Order on Addressing United States Investments in Certain National Security Technologies and Products in Countries of Concern (August 9, 2023)

July 2023
Executive Order on Federal Research and Development in Support of Domestic Manufacturing and United States Jobs (July 28, 2023)
Executive Order on 2023 Amendments to the Manual for Courts-Martial, United States (July 28, 2023)

June 2023
Executive Order on Strengthening Access to Affordable, High-Quality Contraception and Family Planning Services (June 23, 2023)
Executive Order on Advancing Economic Security for Military and Veteran Spouses, Military Caregivers, and Survivors (June 9, 2023)

May 2023
Executive Order on Moving Beyond COVID-⁠19 Vaccination Requirements for Federal Workers (May 9, 2023)
Executive Order on Imposing Sanctions on Certain Persons Destabilizing Sudan and Undermining the Goal of a Democratic Transition (May 4, 2023)

April 2023
Executive Order on Authority to Order the Ready Reserve of the Armed Forces to Active Duty to Address International Drug Trafficking (April 27, 2023)
Executive Order on Revitalizing Our Nation’s Commitment to Environmental Justice for All (April 21, 2023)
Executive Order on Increasing Access to High-Quality Care and Supporting Caregivers (April 18, 2023)
Executive Order on Modernizing Regulatory Review (April 6, 2023)

March 2023
Executive Order on Prohibition on Use by the United States Government of Commercial Spyware that Poses Risks to National Security (March 27, 2023)
Executive Order on Reducing Gun Violence and Making Our Communities Safer (March 14, 2023)

February 2023
Executive Order on Further Advancing Racial Equity and Support for Underserved Communities Through The Federal Government (February 16, 2023)

December 2022
Executive Order on Adjustments of Certain Rates of Pay (December 23, 2022)
Executive Order on Establishing the President’s Advisory Council on African Diaspora Engagement in the United States (December 13, 2022)

October 2022
Executive Order on Taking Additional Steps to Address the National Emergency With Respect to the Situation in Nicaragua (October 24, 2022)
Executive Order on Lowering Prescription Drug Costs for Americans (October 14, 2022)
Executive Order On Enhancing Safeguards For United States Signals Intelligence Activities (October 7, 2022)
Executive Order on Expanding Eligibility For Certain Military Decorations And Awards (October 3, 2022)

September 2022
Executive Order on Promoting the Arts, the Humanities, and Museum and Library Services (September 30, 2022)
Executive Order on Ensuring Robust Consideration of Evolving National Security Risks by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (September 15, 2022)
Executive Order on the Implementation of the Energy and Infrastructure Provisions of the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 (September 12, 2022)
Executive Order on Advancing Biotechnology and Biomanufacturing Innovation for a Sustainable, Safe, and Secure American Bioeconomy (September 12, 2022)

August 2022
Executive Order on the Implementation of the CHIPS Act of 2022 (August 25, 2022)
Executive Order on Securing Access to Reproductive and Other Healthcare Services (August 3, 2022)

July 2022
Executive Order on Bolstering Efforts to Bring Hostages and Wrongfully Detained United States Nationals Home (July 19, 2022)
Executive Order on Establishing an Emergency Board to Investigate Disputes Between Certain Railroads Represented by the National Carriers’ Conference Committee of the National Railway Labor Conference and Their Employees Represented by Certain Labor Organizations (July 15, 2022)
Executive Order on Protecting Access to Reproductive Healthcare Services (July 8, 2022)

June 2022
Executive Order on Advancing Equality for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and Intersex Individuals (June 15, 2022)

May 2022
Executive Order on Advancing Effective, Accountable Policing and Criminal Justice Practices to Enhance Public Trust and Public Safety (May 25, 2022)
Executive Order on Enhancing the National Quantum Initiative Advisory Committee (May 4, 2022)

April 2022
Executive Order on Strengthening the Nation’s Forests, Communities, and Local Economies (April 22, 2022)
Prohibiting New Investment in and Certain Services to the Russian Federation in Response to Continued Russian Federation Aggression (April 6, 2022)
Executive Order on Continuing to Strengthen Americans’ Access to Affordable, Quality Health Coverage (April 5, 2022)

March 2022
Executive Order on Advancing Economy, Efficiency, and Effectiveness in Federal Contracting by Promoting Pay Equity and Transparency (March 15, 2022)
Executive Order on Prohibiting Certain Imports, Exports, and New Investment with Respect to Continued Russian Federation Aggression (March 11, 2022)
Executive Order on Ensuring Responsible Development of Digital Assets (March 9, 2022)
Executive Order on Prohibiting Certain Imports and New Investments With Respect to Continued Russian Federation Efforts to Undermine the Sovereignty and Territorial Integrity of Ukraine (March 8, 2022)

February 2022
Executive Order on Blocking Property of Certain Persons and Prohibiting Certain Transactions With Respect to Continued Russian Efforts to Undermine the Sovereignty and Territorial Integrity of Ukraine (February 21, 2022)
Executive Order on Protecting Certain Property of Da Afghanistan Bank for the Benefit of the People of Afghanistan (February 11, 2022)
Executive Order on Use of Project Labor Agreements For Federal Construction Projects (February 4, 2022)

January 2022
Executive Order on 2022 Amendments to the Manual for Courts-Martial, United States (January 26, 2022
)
December 2021
Executive Order on Adjustments of Certain Rates of Pay (December 22, 2021)
Executive Order on Establishing the United States Council on Transnational Organized Crime (December 15, 2021)
Executive Order on Imposing Sanctions on Foreign Persons Involved in the Global Illicit Drug Trade (December 15, 2021)
Executive Order on Transforming Federal Customer Experience and Service Delivery to Rebuild Trust in Government (December 13, 2021)
Executive Order on Catalyzing Clean Energy Industries and Jobs Through Federal Sustainability (December 8, 2021)
Executive Order on the National Space Council (December 1, 2021)

November 2021
Executive Order on Nondisplacement of Qualified Workers Under Service Contracts (November 18, 2021)
Executive Order on the Termination of Emergency With Respect To the Situation in Burundi (November 18, 2021)
Executive Order on Implementation of the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (November 15, 2021)
Executive Order on Improving Public Safety and Criminal Justice for Native Americans and Addressing the Crisis of Missing or Murdered Indigenous People (November 15, 2021)

October 2021
Executive Order on the Designation to Exercise Authority Over the National Defense Stockpile (October 31, 2021)
Executive Order on White House Initiative on Advancing Educational Equity, Excellence, and Economic Opportunity for Black Americans (October 19, 2021)
Executive Order on the White House Initiative on Advancing Educational Equity, Excellence, and Economic Opportunity for Native Americans and Strengthening Tribal Colleges and Universities (October 11, 2021)

September 2021
Executive Order on Continuance or Reestablishment of Certain Federal Advisory Committees and Amendments to Other Executive Orders (September 30, 2021)
Executive Order on Adding Measles to the List of Quarantinable Communicable Diseases (September 17, 2021)
Executive Order on Imposing Sanctions on Certain Persons With Respect to the Humanitarian and Human Rights Crisis in Ethiopia (September 17, 2021)
Executive Order on Amending Executive Order 14007 (September 13, 2021)
Executive Order on White House Initiative on Advancing Educational Equity, Excellence, and Economic Opportunity for Hispanics (September 13, 2021)
Executive Order on Ensuring Adequate COVID Safety Protocols for Federal Contractors (September 9, 2021)
Executive Order on Requiring Coronavirus Disease 2019 Vaccination for Federal Employees (September 9, 2021)
Executive Order on Declassification Review of Certain Documents Concerning the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001 (September 3, 2021)
Executive Order on White House Initiative on Advancing Educational Equity, Excellence, and Economic Opportunity through Historically Black Colleges and Universities (September 3, 2021)
August 2021
Executive Order on Blocking Property with Respect to Certain Russian Energy Export Pipelines (August 20, 2021)
Executive Order on Blocking Property of Additional Persons Contributing to the Situation in Belarus (August 9, 2021)
Executive Order on Strengthening American Leadership in Clean Cars and Trucks (August 5, 2021]

July 2021
Executive Order on Promoting Competition in the American Economy (July 9, 2021)

June 2021
Executive Order on Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Accessibility in the Federal Workforce (June 25, 2021)
Executive Order on Protecting Americans’ Sensitive Data from Foreign Adversaries (June 9, 2021)
Executive Order on Blocking Property And Suspending Entry Into The United States Of Certain Persons Contributing To The Destabilizing Situation In The Western Balkans (June 8, 2021)
Executive Order on Addressing the Threat from Securities Investments that Finance Certain Companies of the People’s Republic of China (June 3, 2021)

May 2021
Executive Order on Advancing Equity, Justice, and Opportunity for Asian Americans, Native Hawaiians, and Pacific Islanders (May 28, 2021)
Executive Order on Climate-Related Financial Risk (May 20, 2021)
Executive Order on the Revocation of Certain Presidential Actions and Technical Amendment (May 14, 2021)
Executive Order on Improving the Nation’s Cybersecurity (May 12, 2021)
Executive Order on the Establishment of the Climate Change Support Office (May 7, 2021)

April 2021
Executive Order on Increasing the Minimum Wage for Federal Contractors (April 27, 2021)
Executive Order on Worker Organizing and Empowerment (April 26, 2021)
Executive Order on Blocking Property with Respect to Specified Harmful Foreign Activities of the Government of the Russian Federation (April 15, 2021)
Executive Order on the Establishment of the Presidential Commission on the Supreme Court of the United States (April 9, 2021)
Executive Order on the Termination of Emergency With Respect to the International Criminal Court (April 1, 2021)

March 2021
Executive Order on Establishment of the White House Gender Policy Council (March 8, 2021)
Executive Order on Guaranteeing an Educational Environment Free from Discrimination on the Basis of Sex, Including Sexual Orientation or Gender Identity (March 8, 2021)
Executive Order on Promoting Access to Voting (March 7, 2021)

February 2021
Executive Order on the Revocation of Certain Presidential Actions (February 24, 2021)
Executive Order on America’s Supply Chains (February 24, 2021)
Executive Order on the Revocation of Executive Order 13801 (February 17, 2021)
Executive Order on the Establishment of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships (February 14, 2021)
Executive Order on Blocking Property with Respect to the Situation in Burma (February 11, 2021)
Executive Order on Rebuilding and Enhancing Programs to Resettle Refugees and Planning for the Impact of Climate Change on Migration (February 4, 2021)
Executive Order on the Establishment of Interagency Task Force on the Reunification of Families (February 2, 2021)
Executive Order on Creating a Comprehensive Regional Framework to Address the Causes of Migration, to Manage Migration Throughout North and Central America, and to Provide Safe and Orderly Processing of Asylum Seekers at the United States Border (February 2, 2021)
Executive Order on Restoring Faith in Our Legal Immigration Systems and Strengthening Integration and Inclusion Efforts for New Americans (February 2, 2021)

January 2021
Executive Order on Strengthening Medicaid and the Affordable Care Act (January 28, 2021)
Executive Order on the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology (January 27, 2021)
Executive Order on Tackling the Climate Crisis at Home and Abroad (January 27, 2021)
Executive Order on Reforming Our Incarceration System to Eliminate the Use of Privately Operated Criminal Detention Facilities (January 26, 2021)
Executive Order on Ensuring the Future Is Made in All of America by All of America’s Workers (January 25, 2021)
Executive Order on Enabling All Qualified Americans to Serve Their Country in Uniform (January 25, 2021)
Executive Order on Protecting the Federal Workforce (January 22, 2021)
Executive Order on Economic Relief Related to the COVID-19 Pandemic (January 22, 2021)
Executive Order on Establishing the COVID-19 Pandemic Testing Board and Ensuring a Sustainable Public Health Workforce for COVID-19 and Other Biological Threats (January 21, 2021)
Executive Order on Protecting Worker Health and Safety (January 21, 2021)
Executive Order on Supporting the Reopening and Continuing Operation of Schools and Early Childhood Education Providers (January 21, 2021)
Executive Order on Ensuring an Equitable Pandemic Response and Recovery (January 21, 2021)
Executive Order on a Sustainable Public Health Supply Chain (January 21, 2021)
Executive Order on Ensuring a Data-Driven Response to COVID-19 and Future High-Consequence Public Health Threat (January 21, 2021)
Executive Order on Improving and Expanding Access to Care and Treatments for COVID-19 (January 21, 2021)
Executive Order on Promoting COVID-19 Safety in Domestic and International Travel (January 21, 2021)
Executive Order on Ethics Commitments by Executive Branch Personnel (January 20, 2021)
Executive Order on Preventing and Combating Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Sexual Orientation (January 20, 2021)
Executive Order on Protecting Public Health and the Environment and Restoring Science to Tackle the Climate Crisis (January 20, 2021)
Executive Order on Ensuring a Lawful and Accurate Enumeration and Apportionment Pursuant to the Decennial Census (January 20, 2021)
Executive Order on Revocation of Certain Executive Orders Concerning Federal Regulation (January 20, 2021)
Executive Order on the Revision of Civil Immigration Enforcement Policies and Priorities (January 20, 2021)
Executive Order on Organizing and Mobilizing the United States Government to Provide a Unified and Effective Response to Combat COVID-19 and to Provide United States Leadership on Global Health and Security (January 20, 2021)
Executive Order on Protecting the Federal Workforce and Requiring Mask-Wearing (January 20, 2021)
Executive Order On Advancing Racial Equity and Support for Underserved Communities Through the Federal Government (January 20, 2021)

[randylahey]

Could you imagine if Biden was using the big chair to side step congress and get shit done not for weapons sales to right wing ethno-militant foreign gummints, but anything that might actually benefit the US people?

Anything at all!

Healthcare or housing or debt or weed or infrastructure or anything! Improved with the stroke of a pen! (Or at least performatively gestured toward)

Who knows…maybe even Biden could make himself popular enough to not be so vulnerable to loose reelection!

Illegal immigrants get priority over Americans for all those benefits under Biden

[Overlander]

Could you imagine if Biden was using the big chair to side step congress and get shit done not for weapons sales to right wing ethno-militant foreign gummints, but anything that might actually benefit the US people?

Anything at all!

Healthcare or housing or debt or weed or infrastructure or anything! Improved with the stroke of a pen! (Or at least performatively gestured toward)

Who knows…maybe even Biden could make himself popular enough to not be so vulnerable to loose reelection!

Illegal immigrants get priority over Americans for all those benefits under Biden

What a sad, hateful life you lead.

How do you keep the gun out of your mouth?

[randylahey]

Could you imagine if Biden was using the big chair to side step congress and get shit done not for weapons sales to right wing ethno-militant foreign gummints, but anything that might actually benefit the US people?

Anything at all!

Healthcare or housing or debt or weed or infrastructure or anything! Improved with the stroke of a pen! (Or at least performatively gestured toward)

Who knows…maybe even Biden could make himself popular enough to not be so vulnerable to loose reelection!

Illegal immigrants get priority over Americans for all those benefits under Biden

What a sad, hateful life you lead.

How do you keep the gun out of your mouth?

Calling me hateful and then making a joke about suicide. Look in the mirror. Another classless comment from overlander

[Overlander]

Illegal immigrants get priority over Americans for all those benefits under Biden

What a sad, hateful life you lead.

How do you keep the gun out of your mouth?

Calling me hateful and then making a joke about suicide. Look in the mirror. Another classless comment from overlander

Is that a snot bubble in your nose?

[twocoach]

Could you imagine if Biden was using the big chair to side step congress and get shit done not for weapons sales to right wing ethno-militant foreign gummints, but anything that might actually benefit the US people?

Anything at all!

Healthcare or housing or debt or weed or infrastructure or anything! Improved with the stroke of a pen! (Or at least performatively gestured toward)

Who knows…maybe even Biden could make himself popular enough to not be so vulnerable to loose reelection!

Illegal immigrants get priority over Americans for all those benefits under Biden

You're a skit at this point you're so inaccurate with your takes. Illegal immigrants do not have "priority" over US citizens for healthcare, housing, dept or the legalization of marijuana. "Priority" doesn't even apply to those subjects.

[MICHHAWK]

you watch how good they will have it. as uncle progresses through his re-election campaign/cycle.

[TDub]

that's partially right and partially wrong. In California I believe they just approved full healthcare for illegal immigrants despite millions of legal citizens not qualifying for the same coverage.

Not that thats all bad, probably saves taxpayer money in the long run, BUT, it is frustrating for the working legal citizens that are struggling to pay for our fucked up health care system. Or, more likely, foregoing care and making everything worse for themselves.

[randylahey]

We're spending a fortune housing feeding and yes, Healthcare, for illegal immigrants. Around the country, but mainly in left winged cities that prioritize it. Tuition too in some places

It's initializing illegal immigration. Which is why the biden administration has seen record level illegal immigration. It's all intentional

[MICHHAWK]

the idea is:

illegals=votes





at least that is what foxx news told me.

[jfish26]

the idea is:

illegals=votes





at least that is what foxx news told me.

So...you get it, then?

[japhy]

Both documented and undocumented immigrants pay more into public benefit programs than they take out. According to Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, undocumented immigrants contribute an estimated $11.74 billion to state and local economies each year. However, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for many of the federal or state benefits that their tax dollars help fund.

Additionally, a few states have completed studies demonstrating that immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in government services and benefits. A study in Arizona found that the state’s immigrants generate $2.4 billion in tax revenue per year, which more than offsets the $1.4 billion in their use of benefit programs. Another study in Florida estimated that, on a per capita basis, immigrants in the state pay nearly $1,500 more in taxes per capita than they receive in public benefits.

Thank you undocumented immigrants for helping keep our SS system afloat!

According to New American Economy, undocumented immigrants contributed $13 billion into the Social Security funds in 2016 and $3 billion to Medicare. Three years prior, the Chief Actuary of the Social Security Administration, Stephen Goss, wrote a report that estimated undocumented immigrants contributed $12 billion into Social Security.

Approximately 11 million undocumented immigrants live in the U.S. with no legal authorization to work, yet an estimated 8 million do, both on and off the books. Since undocumented immigrants don’t have Social Security numbers and are not authorized to work legally in the U.S., they are not eligible for any Social Security benefits, whether they’ve paid into the system or not.

How undocumented immigrants pay into Social Security

Payroll tax, the 12 percent tax taken out of salaried workers’ paychecks, split between employer and employee, primarily funds Social Security, accounting for 88 percent of the payouts in 2017. Undocumented workers typically use a fake SSN or someone else’s SSN when applying for salaried jobs. Only a handful of U.S. states require employers to check an employee’s eligibility and their SSN through E-Verify, a Department of Homeland Security database. Other states have varying levels of E-Verify requirements, from partial to none.

Undocumented immigrants’ payments into the Social Security funds become a murkier matter when they are self-employed. By law, anyone earning an income while in the United States is required to pay taxes, even if they are breaking other laws in doing so.

“The government, the IRS, will never say no to your tax dollars,” said Abigail Zapote, the executive director of the D.C.-based nonprofit Latinos for a Secure Retirement, with a laugh.

Many undocumented sole proprietors, from gardeners to tech startup founders, pay self-employment taxes through an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, legally issued by the IRS. It would be easy enough not to pay anything to the IRS, especially if paid in cash. But many undocumented immigrants do file with an ITIN to be in good standing with the government should there be an opportunity to apply for a green card or citizenship in the future. Undocumented immigrants who pay self-employment taxes via an ITIN also pay into the Social Security funds, however there are no statistics on exact dollar amounts.
Undocumented immigrants’ contributions to the Social Security funds help its finances, especially because they are not receiving benefits, explains Monique Morrissey, an economist who focuses on retirement at the Economic Policy Institute, a D.C.-based think tank. But since “it’s done so on the backs of the more vulnerable people in society,” she said, “it’s not a good thing.”

Population Growth and Social Security

Deporting undocumented immigrants would have a negative impact, short and long term, on the Social Security funds, which are directly linked to population growth, Morrissey said. She points out that the U.S. has a near stagnant native-born population, “Deaths and births are close to cancelling each other out.”

The way Social Security works is that today’s beneficiaries receive money thanks to the current workers paying into the system who will then ideally receive the same benefit payouts when they age and are no longer able to work.

Since the future of Social Security’s solvency is contingent on population growth, it’s inexorably linked to immigration. Immigrants are a major source of population growth in the U.S., both undocumented and those who immigrate legally, which includes the “future citizens” they might produce over the next 20, 40, 60, 80 years.

[jfish26]

Both documented and undocumented immigrants pay more into public benefit programs than they take out. According to Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, undocumented immigrants contribute an estimated $11.74 billion to state and local economies each year. However, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for many of the federal or state benefits that their tax dollars help fund.

Additionally, a few states have completed studies demonstrating that immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in government services and benefits. A study in Arizona found that the state’s immigrants generate $2.4 billion in tax revenue per year, which more than offsets the $1.4 billion in their use of benefit programs. Another study in Florida estimated that, on a per capita basis, immigrants in the state pay nearly $1,500 more in taxes per capita than they receive in public benefits.

Thank you undocumented immigrants for helping keep our SS system afloat!

According to New American Economy, undocumented immigrants contributed $13 billion into the Social Security funds in 2016 and $3 billion to Medicare. Three years prior, the Chief Actuary of the Social Security Administration, Stephen Goss, wrote a report that estimated undocumented immigrants contributed $12 billion into Social Security.

Approximately 11 million undocumented immigrants live in the U.S. with no legal authorization to work, yet an estimated 8 million do, both on and off the books. Since undocumented immigrants don’t have Social Security numbers and are not authorized to work legally in the U.S., they are not eligible for any Social Security benefits, whether they’ve paid into the system or not.

How undocumented immigrants pay into Social Security

Payroll tax, the 12 percent tax taken out of salaried workers’ paychecks, split between employer and employee, primarily funds Social Security, accounting for 88 percent of the payouts in 2017. Undocumented workers typically use a fake SSN or someone else’s SSN when applying for salaried jobs. Only a handful of U.S. states require employers to check an employee’s eligibility and their SSN through E-Verify, a Department of Homeland Security database. Other states have varying levels of E-Verify requirements, from partial to none.

Undocumented immigrants’ payments into the Social Security funds become a murkier matter when they are self-employed. By law, anyone earning an income while in the United States is required to pay taxes, even if they are breaking other laws in doing so.

“The government, the IRS, will never say no to your tax dollars,” said Abigail Zapote, the executive director of the D.C.-based nonprofit Latinos for a Secure Retirement, with a laugh.

Many undocumented sole proprietors, from gardeners to tech startup founders, pay self-employment taxes through an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, legally issued by the IRS. It would be easy enough not to pay anything to the IRS, especially if paid in cash. But many undocumented immigrants do file with an ITIN to be in good standing with the government should there be an opportunity to apply for a green card or citizenship in the future. Undocumented immigrants who pay self-employment taxes via an ITIN also pay into the Social Security funds, however there are no statistics on exact dollar amounts.
Undocumented immigrants’ contributions to the Social Security funds help its finances, especially because they are not receiving benefits, explains Monique Morrissey, an economist who focuses on retirement at the Economic Policy Institute, a D.C.-based think tank. But since “it’s done so on the backs of the more vulnerable people in society,” she said, “it’s not a good thing.”

Population Growth and Social Security

Deporting undocumented immigrants would have a negative impact, short and long term, on the Social Security funds, which are directly linked to population growth, Morrissey said. She points out that the U.S. has a near stagnant native-born population, “Deaths and births are close to cancelling each other out.”

The way Social Security works is that today’s beneficiaries receive money thanks to the current workers paying into the system who will then ideally receive the same benefit payouts when they age and are no longer able to work.

Since the future of Social Security’s solvency is contingent on population growth, it’s inexorably linked to immigration. Immigrants are a major source of population growth in the U.S., both undocumented and those who immigrate legally, which includes the “future citizens” they might produce over the next 20, 40, 60, 80 years.

That's sure a lot of words. I haven't read them, and I won't, but won't you please do something about the vermin caravans, over which I sure am perpetually angry.

[zsn]

you watch how good they will have it. as uncle progresses through his re-election campaign/cycle.

What’s stopping your (and Randy’s) transition to “the good life”: ie. Relinquishing your US citizenship, acquiring a Honduran citizenship and living in the US?