Kansas Crimson

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:35 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:32 am

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:30 am this, is absolutely nothing like Vietnam. Good grief.


There's ignorant and there's stupid.

Ignorance can be changed with information and education.

You can't fix stupid.

I keep holding out hope that ignorance is the culprit here.

What WOULD be like Vietnam, is Russia attacking Poland, and us fulfilling our treaty obligations.

that would be closer...but even then, not as egregious.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:38 am

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:35 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:32 am

What WOULD be like Vietnam, is Russia attacking Poland, and us fulfilling our treaty obligations.

that would be closer...but even then, not as egregious.

I only meant in terms of human and material costs to the US.

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:01 am Ceasefire NOW!

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:43 am Could you imagine if Biden was using the big chair to side step congress and get shit done not for weapons sales to right wing ethno-militant foreign gummints, but anything that might actually benefit the US people?

Anything at all!

Healthcare or housing or debt or weed or infrastructure or anything! Improved with the stroke of a pen! (Or at least performatively gestured toward)

Who knows…maybe even Biden could make himself popular enough to not be so vulnerable to loose reelection!

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:43 am Could you imagine if Biden was using the big chair to side step congress and get shit done not for weapons sales to right wing ethno-militant foreign gummints, but anything that might actually benefit the US people?

Anything at all!

Healthcare or housing or debt or weed or infrastructure or anything! Improved with the stroke of a pen! (Or at least performatively gestured toward)

Who knows…maybe even Biden could make himself popular enough to not be so vulnerable to loose reelection!

randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:09 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:43 am Could you imagine if Biden was using the big chair to side step congress and get shit done not for weapons sales to right wing ethno-militant foreign gummints, but anything that might actually benefit the US people?

Anything at all!

Healthcare or housing or debt or weed or infrastructure or anything! Improved with the stroke of a pen! (Or at least performatively gestured toward)

Who knows…maybe even Biden could make himself popular enough to not be so vulnerable to loose reelection!

Illegal immigrants get priority over Americans for all those benefits under Biden

Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:14 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:09 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:43 am Could you imagine if Biden was using the big chair to side step congress and get shit done not for weapons sales to right wing ethno-militant foreign gummints, but anything that might actually benefit the US people?

Anything at all!

Healthcare or housing or debt or weed or infrastructure or anything! Improved with the stroke of a pen! (Or at least performatively gestured toward)

Who knows…maybe even Biden could make himself popular enough to not be so vulnerable to loose reelection!

Illegal immigrants get priority over Americans for all those benefits under Biden

What a sad, hateful life you lead.

How do you keep the gun out of your mouth?

randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:04 pm

Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:14 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:09 pm

Illegal immigrants get priority over Americans for all those benefits under Biden

What a sad, hateful life you lead.

How do you keep the gun out of your mouth?

Calling me hateful and then making a joke about suicide. Look in the mirror. Another classless comment from overlander

randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:09 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:43 am Could you imagine if Biden was using the big chair to side step congress and get shit done not for weapons sales to right wing ethno-militant foreign gummints, but anything that might actually benefit the US people?

Anything at all!

Healthcare or housing or debt or weed or infrastructure or anything! Improved with the stroke of a pen! (Or at least performatively gestured toward)

Who knows…maybe even Biden could make himself popular enough to not be so vulnerable to loose reelection!

Illegal immigrants get priority over Americans for all those benefits under Biden

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:37 pm the idea is:

illegals=votes





at least that is what foxx news told me.

Both documented and undocumented immigrants pay more into public benefit programs than they take out. According to Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, undocumented immigrants contribute an estimated $11.74 billion to state and local economies each year. However, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for many of the federal or state benefits that their tax dollars help fund.

Additionally, a few states have completed studies demonstrating that immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in government services and benefits. A study in Arizona found that the state’s immigrants generate $2.4 billion in tax revenue per year, which more than offsets the $1.4 billion in their use of benefit programs. Another study in Florida estimated that, on a per capita basis, immigrants in the state pay nearly $1,500 more in taxes per capita than they receive in public benefits.

According to New American Economy, undocumented immigrants contributed $13 billion into the Social Security funds in 2016 and $3 billion to Medicare. Three years prior, the Chief Actuary of the Social Security Administration, Stephen Goss, wrote a report that estimated undocumented immigrants contributed $12 billion into Social Security.

Approximately 11 million undocumented immigrants live in the U.S. with no legal authorization to work, yet an estimated 8 million do, both on and off the books. Since undocumented immigrants don’t have Social Security numbers and are not authorized to work legally in the U.S., they are not eligible for any Social Security benefits, whether they’ve paid into the system or not.

How undocumented immigrants pay into Social Security

Payroll tax, the 12 percent tax taken out of salaried workers’ paychecks, split between employer and employee, primarily funds Social Security, accounting for 88 percent of the payouts in 2017. Undocumented workers typically use a fake SSN or someone else’s SSN when applying for salaried jobs. Only a handful of U.S. states require employers to check an employee’s eligibility and their SSN through E-Verify, a Department of Homeland Security database. Other states have varying levels of E-Verify requirements, from partial to none.

Undocumented immigrants’ payments into the Social Security funds become a murkier matter when they are self-employed. By law, anyone earning an income while in the United States is required to pay taxes, even if they are breaking other laws in doing so.

“The government, the IRS, will never say no to your tax dollars,” said Abigail Zapote, the executive director of the D.C.-based nonprofit Latinos for a Secure Retirement, with a laugh.

Many undocumented sole proprietors, from gardeners to tech startup founders, pay self-employment taxes through an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, legally issued by the IRS. It would be easy enough not to pay anything to the IRS, especially if paid in cash. But many undocumented immigrants do file with an ITIN to be in good standing with the government should there be an opportunity to apply for a green card or citizenship in the future. Undocumented immigrants who pay self-employment taxes via an ITIN also pay into the Social Security funds, however there are no statistics on exact dollar amounts.
Undocumented immigrants’ contributions to the Social Security funds help its finances, especially because they are not receiving benefits, explains Monique Morrissey, an economist who focuses on retirement at the Economic Policy Institute, a D.C.-based think tank. But since “it’s done so on the backs of the more vulnerable people in society,” she said, “it’s not a good thing.”

Population Growth and Social Security

Deporting undocumented immigrants would have a negative impact, short and long term, on the Social Security funds, which are directly linked to population growth, Morrissey said. She points out that the U.S. has a near stagnant native-born population, “Deaths and births are close to cancelling each other out.”

The way Social Security works is that today’s beneficiaries receive money thanks to the current workers paying into the system who will then ideally receive the same benefit payouts when they age and are no longer able to work.

Since the future of Social Security’s solvency is contingent on population growth, it’s inexorably linked to immigration. Immigrants are a major source of population growth in the U.S., both undocumented and those who immigrate legally, which includes the “future citizens” they might produce over the next 20, 40, 60, 80 years.

japhy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:16 pm

Both documented and undocumented immigrants pay more into public benefit programs than they take out. According to Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, undocumented immigrants contribute an estimated $11.74 billion to state and local economies each year. However, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for many of the federal or state benefits that their tax dollars help fund.

Additionally, a few states have completed studies demonstrating that immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in government services and benefits. A study in Arizona found that the state’s immigrants generate $2.4 billion in tax revenue per year, which more than offsets the $1.4 billion in their use of benefit programs. Another study in Florida estimated that, on a per capita basis, immigrants in the state pay nearly $1,500 more in taxes per capita than they receive in public benefits.

Thank you undocumented immigrants for helping keep our SS system afloat!

According to New American Economy, undocumented immigrants contributed $13 billion into the Social Security funds in 2016 and $3 billion to Medicare. Three years prior, the Chief Actuary of the Social Security Administration, Stephen Goss, wrote a report that estimated undocumented immigrants contributed $12 billion into Social Security.

Approximately 11 million undocumented immigrants live in the U.S. with no legal authorization to work, yet an estimated 8 million do, both on and off the books. Since undocumented immigrants don’t have Social Security numbers and are not authorized to work legally in the U.S., they are not eligible for any Social Security benefits, whether they’ve paid into the system or not.

How undocumented immigrants pay into Social Security

Payroll tax, the 12 percent tax taken out of salaried workers’ paychecks, split between employer and employee, primarily funds Social Security, accounting for 88 percent of the payouts in 2017. Undocumented workers typically use a fake SSN or someone else’s SSN when applying for salaried jobs. Only a handful of U.S. states require employers to check an employee’s eligibility and their SSN through E-Verify, a Department of Homeland Security database. Other states have varying levels of E-Verify requirements, from partial to none.

Undocumented immigrants’ payments into the Social Security funds become a murkier matter when they are self-employed. By law, anyone earning an income while in the United States is required to pay taxes, even if they are breaking other laws in doing so.

“The government, the IRS, will never say no to your tax dollars,” said Abigail Zapote, the executive director of the D.C.-based nonprofit Latinos for a Secure Retirement, with a laugh.

Many undocumented sole proprietors, from gardeners to tech startup founders, pay self-employment taxes through an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, legally issued by the IRS. It would be easy enough not to pay anything to the IRS, especially if paid in cash. But many undocumented immigrants do file with an ITIN to be in good standing with the government should there be an opportunity to apply for a green card or citizenship in the future. Undocumented immigrants who pay self-employment taxes via an ITIN also pay into the Social Security funds, however there are no statistics on exact dollar amounts.
Undocumented immigrants’ contributions to the Social Security funds help its finances, especially because they are not receiving benefits, explains Monique Morrissey, an economist who focuses on retirement at the Economic Policy Institute, a D.C.-based think tank. But since “it’s done so on the backs of the more vulnerable people in society,” she said, “it’s not a good thing.”

Population Growth and Social Security

Deporting undocumented immigrants would have a negative impact, short and long term, on the Social Security funds, which are directly linked to population growth, Morrissey said. She points out that the U.S. has a near stagnant native-born population, “Deaths and births are close to cancelling each other out.”

The way Social Security works is that today’s beneficiaries receive money thanks to the current workers paying into the system who will then ideally receive the same benefit payouts when they age and are no longer able to work.

Since the future of Social Security’s solvency is contingent on population growth, it’s inexorably linked to immigration. Immigrants are a major source of population growth in the U.S., both undocumented and those who immigrate legally, which includes the “future citizens” they might produce over the next 20, 40, 60, 80 years.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:11 pm you watch how good they will have it. as uncle progresses through his re-election campaign/cycle.