Kansas Crimson

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:44 am You’d think this thread would be a bigger hit with the “we have the second amendment to protect ourselves against a tyrannical government” crowd

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:38 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:01 am

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:50 am A. I provided links. Where are yours?
C. Well of course you do. Most lunatics wouldn't be lunatics if they knew they were lunatics.
F. Holy shit.

A.) Your links are the equivalent of North Carolina reporting that they had investigated themselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing. The people who are doing these things own the media outlets that are "investigating" and reporting on them. The conclusion is foregone.

C.) I investigated myself and have determined that my mental health is sound. If you don't accept me as a valid source, you may be a lunatic.

F.) Agreed. She's at the top of my list of people I'm glad I rarely have to speak to.

A. This is why you are a lunatic.
C. That's not how it works.

zsn wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:10 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:39 am

Back2Lawrence wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:11 am

If we had just one such source, and it competed with the polar dwelling sources, we would all be better served.

Fact: The last time the NYT endorsed a Republican Presidential candidate was 1956.

A guy named Eisenhower.

That's 68 years, for those keeping score at home.

Perfectly impartial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... York_Times

Impartiality does not mean the need to endorse both sides equally. That The NY Times (of which I’m no big fan) hasn’t endorsed a Republican for president since 1956 is not a reflection of the paper. It’s a reflection of the quality of Republican candidates - criminals, lunatics and sociopaths.

If the refs called 20 fouls by halftime on Huggie-coached WVU teams it’s not because their impartiality is under scrutiny - it’s because they are actually objective.

BTW, I thought you guys didn’t care about what The NY Times thought! I certainly don’t waste precious microseconds on what Murdoch-owned outlets think.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:53 am

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:38 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:01 am

A.) Your links are the equivalent of North Carolina reporting that they had investigated themselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing. The people who are doing these things own the media outlets that are "investigating" and reporting on them. The conclusion is foregone.

C.) I investigated myself and have determined that my mental health is sound. If you don't accept me as a valid source, you may be a lunatic.

F.) Agreed. She's at the top of my list of people I'm glad I rarely have to speak to.

A. This is why you are a lunatic.
C. That's not how it works.

C.) I agree.
A.) Thus, my point A.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:01 pm kcrim is a far left leaning outlet. so you will not have an audience for constructive conversation. where adults converse constructively. not here.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:59 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:53 am

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:38 am

A. This is why you are a lunatic.
C. That's not how it works.

C.) I agree.
A.) Thus, my point A.

So just a circle of lunacy for you.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:01 pm kcrim is a far left leaning outlet. so you will not have an audience for constructive conversation. where adults converse constructively. not here.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:13 pm If you come in with the opinions that all major news outlets are pawns for the deep state and that covid was created to control a populace and that Trump won the 2020 election and it was stolen and that people storming the Capital building shouldn't have been punished - then yes - constructive conversation is kind of out the door immediately.

It's like a MIZZOU fan dropping in and saying, 'we won the B12 in 2012 and have had multiple Final Fours stolen from us. The NCAA is rigged and every one of your titles aren't legitimate.'

Should we have a constructive conversation with the MIZZOU fan?

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:01 pm kcrim is a far left leaning outlet. so you will not have an audience for constructive conversation. where adults converse constructively. not here.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:35 am July 14, 2024

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.c ... ly-14-2024

Shortly after 6:00 yesterday evening at a Trump rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, a shooter on the roof of a building about 400 feet from the stage appears to have shot eight bullets at the former president and into the crowd. Trump appeared to flinch and reach for his right ear as Secret Service agents crouched over the former president. When the agents got word the shooter was “down,” they lifted Trump to move him out. He asked to get his shoes and then to put them on.

With that apparently accomplished, Trump stood up with blood on his face, exposed to the crowd, and told the agents to wait. He raised his fist in the air in front of an American flag in what instantly became an iconic image. He appeared to yell, “Fight, fight, fight!” to the crowd before being ushered offstage.

Pennsylvania firefighter Corey Comperatore, 50, was killed. David Dutch, 57, was injured and is hospitalized in stable condition. James Copenhaver, 74, was also injured and is in stable condition.

The FBI has identified the shooter as 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks, who was killed by a Secret Service agent. Crooks used an AR-type semiautomatic rifle that apparently belonged to his father. Crooks was wearing a gray Demolition Ranch tee shirt advertising a YouTube channel for gun enthusiasts and people interested in explosive devices. The channel has more than 11 million followers. Crooks appears to have been a registered Republican.

Trump said he had been “shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear.” So far, no doctors have briefed the public.

In the confusion immediately after the shooting, MAGA Republicans blamed the Democrats for the violence. “Today is not just some isolated incident,” Ohio senator J.D. Vance, who is in the running to be Trump’s vice presidential pick, posted on social media. “The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs. That rhetoric led directly to President Trump’s attempted assassination.” Representative Mike Collins of Georgia called for a Republican district attorney to “immediately file charges against Joseph R. Biden for inciting an assassination.” Indeed, he said, “Joe Biden sent the orders.”

Edward Luce of the Financial Times noted, “Almost any criticism of Trump is already being spun by Maga as an incitement to assassinate him. This is an Orwellian attempt to silence what remains of the effort to stop him from regaining power.” Indeed, MAGA Republicans appear to be trying to stop discussion of their extremist plans— which are enormously unpopular— by claiming that such a discussion is polarizing.

The idea that Democratic opposition to authoritarian plans like those outlined in Project 2025 caused violence might convince MAGA Republicans, but it will likely be a hard sell for Americans who remember things like:

•Trump’s own suggestion in 2016 that “Second Amendment people” could solve the problem of Hillary Clinton picking judges; or his 2020 attacks on Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer, who became the target of a kidnapping plot; or election workers bombarded with death threats as Trump lied that the 2020 election was stolen;

•the October 2022 post by Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr. mocking then–House speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband Paul after a home intruder hit him in the head with a hammer; or Georgia representative Marjorie Taylor Greene’s 2022 campaign video in which she promised to “blow away the Democrats’ socialist agenda” as she took aim with a rifle;

•in 2023, House Republicans wearing AR-15 lapel pins on the floor of Congress; Representative Don Bacon (R-NE) saying his wife slept with a loaded gun after he voted against Representative Jim Jordan (R-OH) for House speaker; or Republican representatives sending Christmas cards showing the whole family toting guns;

•in 2024, the Kansas Republican Party’s March fundraiser where attendees could donate to kick and punch an effigy of President Joe Biden; or Don Jr.’s reposting an image of Biden bound and gagged in the back of a pickup truck;

•or Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson of North Carolina, who is running for the governorship and who is scheduled to speak at the Republican National Convention starting tomorrow, saying just two weeks ago: “Some folks need killing! It’s time for somebody to say it.”

Indeed, in March 2024, in Vance’s home state, Trump said: “if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole…country,” and a 2022 campaign ad by Representative Collins himself showed him shooting a rifle at Nancy Pelosi’s “agenda” and at a cardboard rhinoceros he says is a “RINO,” a Republican in Name Only.

Republicans under Trump have increasingly advocated violence as a way to gain power because they know their unpopular positions cannot lead their candidates to victory in free and fair elections. In this moment, when there is still little evidence about yesterday’s tragedy, it appears they are projecting their own behavior onto Biden and the Democrats, blaming them for advocating violence when in fact, Biden and the Democrats have tried hard to enact commonsense gun safety laws and have consistently condemned the violent language and normalizing of political violence by Republicans.

Republicans’ embrace of violence is a hallmark of authoritarian leaders; by definition it undermines democracy. In Nashville, Tennessee, today, neo-Nazis shouting “Hitler was right!” were involved in fights in the streets. Ending that resort to violence, which never advances society and always injures it, is key to restoring the guardrails of democracy.

President Biden spoke to the nation tonight, warning that Americans need to “lower the temperature in our politics and to remember, while we may disagree, we are not enemies. We’re neighbors. We’re friends, coworkers, citizens. And, most importantly, we are fellow Americans. And we must stand together.” He condemned yesterday’s violence, noting that “[a] former president was shot” and “an American citizen killed while simply exercising his freedom to support the candidate of his choosing…. There is no place in America for this kind of violence or for any violence ever. Period. No exceptions. We can’t allow this violence to be normalized.”

The framers of the Constitution, he said, “created a democracy that gave reason and balance a chance to prevail over brute force. That’s the America we must be, an American democracy where arguments are made in good faith, an American democracy where the rule of law is respected, an American democracy where decency, dignity, fair play aren’t just quaint notions, but living, breathing realities.”

Biden rejected the idea that criticizing the Republicans’ extremism was polarizing. While they can “criticize my record and offer their own vision for this country,” he said, “I’ll continue to speak out strongly for our democracy, stand up for our Constitution and the rule of law, to call for action at the ballot box, not violence on our streets. That’s how democracy should work.”

Biden paused all campaign ads and events after the shooting and told staffers to “refrain from issuing any comments on social media or in public.” Trump is fundraising off the attempt on his life, but he spent the day golfing rather than campaigning.

The Secret Service has launched an investigation of how a shooter could get so close to Trump; Biden has ordered an independent investigation as well. Biden said he has also directed the Secret Service to review the security measures in place for the Republican National Convention, which starts tomorrow in Milwaukee.

Within hours of the shooting, House speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) announced that “THE HOUSE WILL CONDUCT A FULL INVESTIGATION OF THE TRAGIC EVENTS TODAY,” saying, “The American people deserve to know the truth.” Although the FBI investigation has barely gotten underway and Congress has no law enforcement power, Johnson promised to have officials from the Secret Service, the Department of Homeland Security, and the FBI “appear for a hearing before our committees ASAP.”

Observers noted that it sounded like MAGA plans to have yet another investigation designed to spread a narrative, in this case, that the so-called “Deep State” was involved in the shooting.

japhy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:42 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:35 am July 14, 2024

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.c ... ly-14-2024

Shortly after 6:00 yesterday evening at a Trump rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, a shooter on the roof of a building about 400 feet from the stage appears to have shot eight bullets at the former president and into the crowd. Trump appeared to flinch and reach for his right ear as Secret Service agents crouched over the former president. When the agents got word the shooter was “down,” they lifted Trump to move him out. He asked to get his shoes and then to put them on.

With that apparently accomplished, Trump stood up with blood on his face, exposed to the crowd, and told the agents to wait. He raised his fist in the air in front of an American flag in what instantly became an iconic image. He appeared to yell, “Fight, fight, fight!” to the crowd before being ushered offstage.

Pennsylvania firefighter Corey Comperatore, 50, was killed. David Dutch, 57, was injured and is hospitalized in stable condition. James Copenhaver, 74, was also injured and is in stable condition.

The FBI has identified the shooter as 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks, who was killed by a Secret Service agent. Crooks used an AR-type semiautomatic rifle that apparently belonged to his father. Crooks was wearing a gray Demolition Ranch tee shirt advertising a YouTube channel for gun enthusiasts and people interested in explosive devices. The channel has more than 11 million followers. Crooks appears to have been a registered Republican.

Trump said he had been “shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear.” So far, no doctors have briefed the public.

In the confusion immediately after the shooting, MAGA Republicans blamed the Democrats for the violence. “Today is not just some isolated incident,” Ohio senator J.D. Vance, who is in the running to be Trump’s vice presidential pick, posted on social media. “The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs. That rhetoric led directly to President Trump’s attempted assassination.” Representative Mike Collins of Georgia called for a Republican district attorney to “immediately file charges against Joseph R. Biden for inciting an assassination.” Indeed, he said, “Joe Biden sent the orders.”

Edward Luce of the Financial Times noted, “Almost any criticism of Trump is already being spun by Maga as an incitement to assassinate him. This is an Orwellian attempt to silence what remains of the effort to stop him from regaining power.” Indeed, MAGA Republicans appear to be trying to stop discussion of their extremist plans— which are enormously unpopular— by claiming that such a discussion is polarizing.

The idea that Democratic opposition to authoritarian plans like those outlined in Project 2025 caused violence might convince MAGA Republicans, but it will likely be a hard sell for Americans who remember things like:

•Trump’s own suggestion in 2016 that “Second Amendment people” could solve the problem of Hillary Clinton picking judges; or his 2020 attacks on Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer, who became the target of a kidnapping plot; or election workers bombarded with death threats as Trump lied that the 2020 election was stolen;

•the October 2022 post by Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr. mocking then–House speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband Paul after a home intruder hit him in the head with a hammer; or Georgia representative Marjorie Taylor Greene’s 2022 campaign video in which she promised to “blow away the Democrats’ socialist agenda” as she took aim with a rifle;

•in 2023, House Republicans wearing AR-15 lapel pins on the floor of Congress; Representative Don Bacon (R-NE) saying his wife slept with a loaded gun after he voted against Representative Jim Jordan (R-OH) for House speaker; or Republican representatives sending Christmas cards showing the whole family toting guns;

•in 2024, the Kansas Republican Party’s March fundraiser where attendees could donate to kick and punch an effigy of President Joe Biden; or Don Jr.’s reposting an image of Biden bound and gagged in the back of a pickup truck;

•or Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson of North Carolina, who is running for the governorship and who is scheduled to speak at the Republican National Convention starting tomorrow, saying just two weeks ago: “Some folks need killing! It’s time for somebody to say it.”

Indeed, in March 2024, in Vance’s home state, Trump said: “if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole…country,” and a 2022 campaign ad by Representative Collins himself showed him shooting a rifle at Nancy Pelosi’s “agenda” and at a cardboard rhinoceros he says is a “RINO,” a Republican in Name Only.

Republicans under Trump have increasingly advocated violence as a way to gain power because they know their unpopular positions cannot lead their candidates to victory in free and fair elections. In this moment, when there is still little evidence about yesterday’s tragedy, it appears they are projecting their own behavior onto Biden and the Democrats, blaming them for advocating violence when in fact, Biden and the Democrats have tried hard to enact commonsense gun safety laws and have consistently condemned the violent language and normalizing of political violence by Republicans.

Republicans’ embrace of violence is a hallmark of authoritarian leaders; by definition it undermines democracy. In Nashville, Tennessee, today, neo-Nazis shouting “Hitler was right!” were involved in fights in the streets. Ending that resort to violence, which never advances society and always injures it, is key to restoring the guardrails of democracy.

President Biden spoke to the nation tonight, warning that Americans need to “lower the temperature in our politics and to remember, while we may disagree, we are not enemies. We’re neighbors. We’re friends, coworkers, citizens. And, most importantly, we are fellow Americans. And we must stand together.” He condemned yesterday’s violence, noting that “[a] former president was shot” and “an American citizen killed while simply exercising his freedom to support the candidate of his choosing…. There is no place in America for this kind of violence or for any violence ever. Period. No exceptions. We can’t allow this violence to be normalized.”

The framers of the Constitution, he said, “created a democracy that gave reason and balance a chance to prevail over brute force. That’s the America we must be, an American democracy where arguments are made in good faith, an American democracy where the rule of law is respected, an American democracy where decency, dignity, fair play aren’t just quaint notions, but living, breathing realities.”

Biden rejected the idea that criticizing the Republicans’ extremism was polarizing. While they can “criticize my record and offer their own vision for this country,” he said, “I’ll continue to speak out strongly for our democracy, stand up for our Constitution and the rule of law, to call for action at the ballot box, not violence on our streets. That’s how democracy should work.”

Biden paused all campaign ads and events after the shooting and told staffers to “refrain from issuing any comments on social media or in public.” Trump is fundraising off the attempt on his life, but he spent the day golfing rather than campaigning.

The Secret Service has launched an investigation of how a shooter could get so close to Trump; Biden has ordered an independent investigation as well. Biden said he has also directed the Secret Service to review the security measures in place for the Republican National Convention, which starts tomorrow in Milwaukee.

Within hours of the shooting, House speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) announced that “THE HOUSE WILL CONDUCT A FULL INVESTIGATION OF THE TRAGIC EVENTS TODAY,” saying, “The American people deserve to know the truth.” Although the FBI investigation has barely gotten underway and Congress has no law enforcement power, Johnson promised to have officials from the Secret Service, the Department of Homeland Security, and the FBI “appear for a hearing before our committees ASAP.”

Observers noted that it sounded like MAGA plans to have yet another investigation designed to spread a narrative, in this case, that the so-called “Deep State” was involved in the shooting.

The screeching from the "Second Amendment Solution" fascist wannabes about "advocating violence" is kabuki theater at it's best. The parroting of their talking points by conspiracy addled twats is just sad. It's good that we have some grown ups in the WH right now.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:24 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:59 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:53 am

C.) I agree.
A.) Thus, my point A.

So just a circle of lunacy for you.

I can see you don't get it. No shame in that.

Carry on.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:50 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:24 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:59 am

So just a circle of lunacy for you.

I can see you don't get it. No shame in that.

Carry on.

No, the problem here is that you don't get it.
That's why we are having this conversation and why it's continuing.