Kansas Crimson

yea.

"so what could dems do differently?"

bLaMe VoTeRs!!!!

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:41 am I don't blame people for voting 3rd party.

But, I think doing so in certain states meant that your priorities were ranked something like:
1. Protesting the dems choices, stances, and process.
2. Keeping Trump our of the WH

If keeping Trump out of WH was a higher priority than voicing displeasure with the Dems then in swing states or battleground states then I think Defix's statement applies (if my interpretation is correct). You can't talk out of both sides of your mouth in those swing/battleground states. Either keeping Trump out was top priority or voicing displeasure to the party was top priority.

I voted 3rd party this time. Simply to voice my displeasure with the Dems choices and process to the entire thing. But ONLY because I live in a safely blue state where my protest vote wouldn't indirectly help Trump win back the WH.

btw Illy, thanks for this, quality post.

I bolded that last paragraph to emphasize you and I are in the exact same boat about this much.

BiggDick wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:17 pm yea.

"so what could dems do differently?"

bLaMe VoTeRs!!!!

If Trump has his way, there won't be anymore voters, nor will there be a two party system towards whom one might cast aspersions .

sigh.

there already is no two party system.

broken

BiggDick wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:44 pm sigh.

there already is no two party system.

You're not big on the two party system we have? I get it.
I don't understand why you aren't big on democracy. Are you living in the wrong country?

KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 7:26 pmbroken

Shattered

thanks for your your concern.

I'm just not sure what I'm trying to say here is as broken as you guys want to make it sound.

Yes, I agree that Trump is a threat to democracy. But I also think that at the end of the day, the threat to "democracy" is a lot bigger than just one guy, and has been rotting away at the republic for a lot longer than anyone cares to admit. This is more than something partisan.

defixione wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 9:14 pm

BiggDick wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:44 pm sigh.

there already is no two party system.

You're not big on the two party system we have? I get it.
I don't understand why you aren't big on democracy. Are you living in the wrong country?

thanks for being cool, defix.

I don't think it's accurate to say I'm not big on democracy. I think democracy's a good thing!

I just think that the two party system we have is something less than democracy.

but yea. Maybe I'm just living in the wrong country.

cue the geography smack talk!

Yes, I agree that Trump is a threat to democracy. But I also think that at the end of the day, the threat to "democracy" is a lot bigger than just one guy, and has been rotting away at the republic for a lot longer than anyone cares to admit. This is more than something partisan.

and so voting for someone with zero legitimate chance of winning helps the situation how?

what’s the point of voting at all, if not to just make yourself feel better (which seems to be exactly what happened)

broken

Just now:

Trump: "Palestinians should get a nice piece of land in either Egypt or Jordan."

Trump: Palestinians "Have no alternative" but to leave Gaza.

Kamala Harris: "Hey American Palestinian supporters, how do you like me now?"

Trump just now at his press conference with Bibi:

The US will "take over the Gaza Strip" and develop it.

Anyone know how the Saudis feel about this?

Forcibly removing ~ 2 million Palestinians to...who knows where, against their will, with American troops, and then "take over", own, and develop the area you're forcing them from, Gaza? No wonder Trump Jr was checking it out recently for prime locations.

No doubt the parents and siblings and friends of the American troops shot and killed by Hamas while conducting the forced evacuation will totally understand why they gave their lives.

Any word from the American supporters of Palestinians whose votes were too precious and pure to waste on Kamala Harris about how they feel about Trump's proposals?

sure. And let's just look forward here.

the concern you are currently expressing about Gaza is shared.

Now, and again looking forward here:

Shirley, since we now share this concern about Gaza, is it fair to say we also share concern about the recent news of Trump signaling a billion dollar weapons sale to Israel?

BiggDick wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 7:24 pm sure. And let's just look forward here.

the concern you are currently expressing about Gaza is shared.

Now, and again looking forward here:

Shirley, since we now share this concern about Gaza, is it fair to say we also share concern about the recent news of Trump signaling a billion dollar weapons sale to Israel?

Seriously, have you no shame?

Didn't numerous of us try to tell you numerous times that Trump would be the Palestinians worst nightmare? But, like on every other issue here, you chose to "both sides" it and take the intellectually lazy route and slovenly insist over and over that there's no difference between Democrats and Republicans. Well, congratulations, Harris didn't win! And, where the fuck are the Palestinians now? Where are Trump and Bibi going to force them to go? Egypt doesn't want them. Jordan doesn't want them. Where are your precious Palestinians, that you care more about than Biden or Harris do, going to go now, ousdahl?

BiggDick wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:44 pm sigh.

there already is no two party system.

Dumb.

So, Trump says the US is going to take over Gaza, and use the military if needed.

Shirley wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 7:39 pm Egypt doesn't want them. Jordan doesn't want them.

^^^

holy shit you guys.

I really do wish we could just look forward on this issue, but here we are again.

A word of advice, though - of all the threads in which one could demonstrate the "both sides" argument is "dumb" and demonstrate how Dems really are different than Pubs, this is NOT the best one to demonstrate it.

The "Palestinians worst nightmare" really is a both sides thing. Since 10/7, look how many weapons packages afforded to Israel were approved by Congress with bipartisan support.

And as gross as it is to hear Trump talk about displacing Gazans and Egypt and Jordan not wanting them, realize that in this very thread I posted articles about how Egypt and Jordan did not want displaced Palestinians back when Biden proposed it in October 2023.

Then realize the history of displaced Palestinians into places like Egypt and Jordan goes back for years and decades before either Trump or Biden.

And just like you want to scapegoat me for voting third party in a state that was sure to otherwise go solid blue (yet somehow not scapegoat not the other posters on this board who did the exact same thing), I too am tempted to scapegoat establishment Dems for downplaying Gaza when a better stance on Gaza just might have otherwise been the difference between a Harris W.

But, what good does scapegoating do either way?

Either way, and going forward, I am least hopeful that more concern for Gaza at this point might be a good thing.

The point is to keep going forward.

and, going forward, I hope others will agree it's a good thing Dems are trying to place a hold on this latest round of weapons to Israel.

https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... sale-hold/

What's not to like about Gaza becoming, as Trump described it, the "Riviera of the Middle East"?

But, at least Kamala didn't win.