Kansas Crimson

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:01 pm I've made this analogy before but it's like that "Bar Rescue" show for me.

There's this great pub in your hood, with a 25 cent juke box, cheap beer - you've been coming here for years. The staff isn't perfect and the manager could pay them more - but it's not like their getting f'd over - and they love the environment and the people there.

Loud obnoxious guy comes in and says this needs a total re-haul. You aren't making enough money. You could pay yourself more and your employees more if you change it. Install a new digital juke box, 2 dollars a play. Let's make the menu more high end - hire a new top of the line chef - and serve more refined cocktails. There's a downtown bar that is making bank - we should model ourselves after them.

Now you probably get more customers. And you're definitely going to be making more money so your staff, new and old, will be doing better for themselves. But there will be a few loyal customers you're gonna loose - and i'd consider myself one of them.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:12 pm This has been discussed too, but if you want the current model to be retained, maybe schools should just stop recruiting players from economically disadvantaged backgrounds.

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:04 pm "I watch college basketball because I love the University of Kansas and it's basketball program and it reminds me of family."

Me too.
But if we're eventually paying players contracts, then you'll get more of the type of guy who is looking for the next dollar, rather than actually wanting to be a part of the family.
And i'm not interested in 18-24 year olds figuring out how to make the most money instead of doing what college athletics was originally intended -- a competitive environment where you grew to become an adult and played more for the love of the game.

And yes, I'll stick to the love of the game despite a lot of the cynicism for that here.

TDub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:14 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:12 pm This has been discussed too, but if you want the current model to be retained, maybe schools should just stop recruiting players from economically disadvantaged backgrounds.

Brilliant. So don't afford them an opportunity at an education and potential career opportunities beyond athletics? That sounds like a helluva plan ous.

TDub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:14 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:12 pm This has been discussed too, but if you want the current model to be retained, maybe schools should just stop recruiting players from economically disadvantaged backgrounds.

Brilliant. So don't afford them an opportunity at an education and potential career opportunities beyond athletics? That sounds like a helluva plan ous.

Sparko wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:15 pm I am a bit surprised with TDub on this one. The market forces were really an "invisible hand full of cash" before all of this. All things being equal, KU will do well.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:15 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:04 pm "I watch college basketball because I love the University of Kansas and it's basketball program and it reminds me of family."

Me too.
But if we're eventually paying players contracts, then you'll get more of the type of guy who is looking for the next dollar, rather than actually wanting to be a part of the family.
And i'm not interested in 18-24 year olds figuring out how to make the most money instead of doing what college athletics was originally intended -- a competitive environment where you grew to become an adult and played more for the love of the game.

And yes, I'll stick to the love of the game despite a lot of the cynicism for that here.

Then the NCAA should do the same instead of trying to milk the system for every dollar they can.

An amateur basketball coach making 7 figures a year? Can't have it both ways.

Defund college sports and make it amateur. I am with that.

But i am not with the current arrangement and environment it creates. It has created an environment that incentivizes cheating. And we got caught doing just that.

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:16 pm "Then the NCAA should do the same instead of trying to milk the system for every dollar they can."

I just argued that point a few posts ago and you responded to it, so....?

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:20 pm

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:15 pm

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:04 pm "I watch college basketball because I love the University of Kansas and it's basketball program and it reminds me of family."

Me too.
But if we're eventually paying players contracts, then you'll get more of the type of guy who is looking for the next dollar, rather than actually wanting to be a part of the family.
And i'm not interested in 18-24 year olds figuring out how to make the most money instead of doing what college athletics was originally intended -- a competitive environment where you grew to become an adult and played more for the love of the game.

And yes, I'll stick to the love of the game despite a lot of the cynicism for that here.

Then the NCAA should do the same instead of trying to milk the system for every dollar they can.

An amateur basketball coach making 7 figures a year? Can't have it both ways.

Defund college sports and make it amateur. I am with that.

But i am not with the current arrangement and environment it creates. It has created an environment that incentivizes cheating. And we got caught doing just that.

No one is more fine with the current arrangement than the NCAA and its member schools.

TDub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:18 pm

Sparko wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:15 pm I am a bit surprised with TDub on this one. The market forces were really an "invisible hand full of cash" before all of this. All things being equal, KU will do well.

Yea, i mean i explained part of my reasoning being my attachment to KU nostalgia. Also, a major part is that I dislike pro sports, and I dont want my favorite sport to become an unwatchable monor league version of the sport.