21-22 lineup

[Sparko]

SDS got a guy stuck in the drive-up window of Taco Bell too.

[Overlander]

SDS got a guy stuck in the drive-up window of Taco Bell too.

Meh, college age fun

[twocoach]

I guess.

And I know it’s guttery devil’s advocate here, but I’m kinda nervous about our frontcourt depth

and am bummed the only thing Self did to address it this off-season was a western ks true freshman and a D2 redshirt.

And Silvio was tragic and bad press, yea, but it’s also a fun story that a half semester freshman was learning plays in the huddle as he jumped center in overtime of the elite 8

The bar fight was a black eye, no pun intended, but I honestly don’t blame him much for the NCAA witch hunt

Huh? Isn't adding 6-10 Top 40 recruit Zach Clemence and 6'7" 4 star KJ Adams "addressing front court depth"?

[ousdahl]

As far as Self only getting a D2 transfer, i am fairly confident Self was searching for sure fire NBA players for our front court the last 24months. There apparently just weren't any that wanted to come to KU.

And that much is kinda crazy, innit?

We had Cam committed at the end of March, before the tournament was even over yet.

Then mid April we got a commit from - Sidney Curry? Some juco guy who ended up not even coming.

(For reference Remy didn’t commit til May 17)

Maybe we hurried up on the D2/juco guys too soon and didn’t get a chance to shop around more?

Though I dunno who would even have been available.

But it’s just mind boggling to thing we couldn’t attract the interest of some halfway serviceable transfer big with D1 experience

especially cuz they only had to compete for minutes against spazoid Dave and make a wish Mitch

especially cuz we had no problem scoring a whole mess of good experienced D1 guard transfers

And especially cuz of Self’s record with big men.

Or maybe the problem was Self telling guys he was all in on Dave and Mitch? And some D2 and juco guys.

I dunno.

[CrimsonNBlue]

We recruited Christian Bishop, who absolutely no one on this board wanted.

Dave will snap out of it. And, I like Clemence, who is from Western Kansas as much as Wiggins is from West Virginia or Embiid is from Florida.

This team is good but November meltdowns are fun.

[NDballer13]

You can mark me down as one who absolutely didn't want Bishop. He's doing basically the same thing at Texas that Mitch Lightfoot is doing at Kansas. And that should surprise no one. He was never very good. He was an undersized, athletic 5 on a run and gun team. Other than "D1 experience", he brought nothing to the table that wasn't already there.

[PhDhawk]

Dave was 2nd team all conference and Big12 most improved player last year. He was on the Wooden Award pre-season watch list for this season.

What's with trying to re-write history? And this is from the guy who wants us to be patient with Wilson, why not do the same for McCormack?

We needed more bigs, we got 3 of them, (4 if you count Curry) we need them to develop.

Even if we were going to play 2 bigs, getting an immediate upgrade over McCormack was a pipe-dream.

[Deleted User 89]

He was on the Wooden Award pre-season watch list for this season.

yikes

i’d forgotten about that

[CrimsonNBlue]

why not do the same for McCormack?

We do need to be patient with McCormack, but it's ridiculously frustrating that we know we have to be.

Seeing the numbers Cockburn is putting up has me drooling.

[pdub]

You could almost say he's making your Cockburn.

[Deleted User 89]

ew

(there’s a cream for that…or so i’ve heard)

[ousdahl]

Yea, maybe the frustration is that we have to be patient

…with an all-conference 4th year senior.

And, just the fact we knew he’s wont to spaz out.

But I think he’ll settle down, and sooner than later this season.

But I wasn’t necessarily looking to upgrade Dave, so much as augment him. More depth, not more starters. We know what we got in Mitch too.

And if I was a pettier type, I’d be saving all these phd posts shitting all over Jalen, cuz dude finna be good.

If he warrants patience over Dave, it’s that one guy has started the whole season and coming in expected to collect accolades, and the other dude has only played limited minutes so far in a delayed start to the season.

Meh whatever, as long as we can all go Tiger Beat on Braun

[InfiniteJ]

We recruited Christian Bishop, who absolutely no one on this board wanted.

Dave will snap out of it. And, I like Clemence, who is from Western Kansas as much as Wiggins is from West Virginia or Embiid is from Florida.

This team is good but November meltdowns are fun.

I did want Bishop; he's an athletic frontcourt player that this team doesn't have...he's smallish, but makes up for it with his 37" vertical and his toughness...he's trying to dunk everything around the rim (as opposed to McCormick).

[Deleted User 863]

As far as Self only getting a D2 transfer, i am fairly confident Self was searching for sure fire NBA players for our front court the last 24months. There apparently just weren't any that wanted to come to KU.

And that much is kinda crazy, innit?

We had Cam committed at the end of March, before the tournament was even over yet.

Then mid April we got a commit from - Sidney Curry? Some juco guy who ended up not even coming.

(For reference Remy didn’t commit til May 17)

Maybe we hurried up on the D2/juco guys too soon and didn’t get a chance to shop around more?

Though I dunno who would even have been available.

But it’s just mind boggling to thing we couldn’t attract the interest of some halfway serviceable transfer big with D1 experience

especially cuz they only had to compete for minutes against spazoid Dave and make a wish Mitch

especially cuz we had no problem scoring a whole mess of good experienced D1 guard transfers

And especially cuz of Self’s record with big men.

Or maybe the problem was Self telling guys he was all in on Dave and Mitch? And some D2 and juco guys.

I dunno.

Or maybe because we are in the midst of a major recruiting scandal and ADIDAS stopped financially encouraging/enticing players to go to KU for a while until things died down.

And most elite transfers don't go somewhere to compete with a 4th year senior who was 2nd team all conference last year.

I am going to go with that rather than Self telling a bunch of future lotto picks that they aren't good enough to beat out Mitch or Dave.

[Mjl]

We recruited Christian Bishop, who absolutely no one on this board wanted.

Dave will snap out of it. And, I like Clemence, who is from Western Kansas as much as Wiggins is from West Virginia or Embiid is from Florida.

This team is good but November meltdowns are fun.

I did want Bishop; he's an athletic frontcourt player that this team doesn't have...he's smallish, but makes up for it with his 37" vertical and his toughness...he's trying to dunk everything around the rim (as opposed to McCormick).

Have you watched him play this year? He's terrible. I think Mitch gives us as much as Bishop.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Ok, now do Joe Yesefu and Cam Martin.

Will just have to see.

[PhDhawk]

Yea, maybe the frustration is that we have to be patient

…with an all-conference 4th year senior.

And, just the fact we knew he’s wont to spaz out.

But I think he’ll settle down, and sooner than later this season.

But I wasn’t necessarily looking to upgrade Dave, so much as augment him. More depth, not more starters. We know what we got in Mitch too.

And if I was a pettier type, I’d be saving all these phd posts shitting all over Jalen, cuz dude finna be good.

If he warrants patience over Dave, it’s that one guy has started the whole season and coming in expected to collect accolades, and the other dude has only played limited minutes so far in a delayed start to the season.

Meh whatever, as long as we can all go Tiger Beat on Braun

He missed 3 games, and not to an injury where he needs to recover, or missed practice, or fell out of conditioning.

To be clear, I'm frustrated by both. And think they're in the same boat.

[InfiniteJ]

We recruited Christian Bishop, who absolutely no one on this board wanted.

Dave will snap out of it. And, I like Clemence, who is from Western Kansas as much as Wiggins is from West Virginia or Embiid is from Florida.

This team is good but November meltdowns are fun.

I did want Bishop; he's an athletic frontcourt player that this team doesn't have...he's smallish, but makes up for it with his 37" vertical and his toughness...he's trying to dunk everything around the rim (as opposed to McCormick).

Have you watched him play this year? He's terrible. I think Mitch gives us as much as Bishop.

His stats are good if you consider the limited minutes he's played so far; his plus/minus is good and so is his efficiency rating...and you never have to run plays for the dude.

[CrimsonNBlue]

To be clear, I'm frustrated by both. And think they're in the same boat.

That's where you completely lose me and think you're just trying to score a couple points on ousdahl. Look at how each finished last season--this is an egregious regression for Dave and Jalen is as inconsistent now as he was last Jan/Feb/March. Then the fact that Dave has played twice as many games this season. Then consider Dave is in his 4th year playing, Jalen in his 2nd. Dave has played his entire playing career at one position, Jalen is out of his natural position.

But, the real cherry on top is one is 6'10", a good 2-3" taller, bigger, stronger, more athletic, and can't even currently do things that should naturally come to someone with those god-given attributes.

[PhDhawk]

3 games vs 6 games.

Wilson has practiced the entire time. Lineups/rotations are not settled.

Wilson was suspended fir a DUI, so missing those games is his own fault. He's not working his way back into shape or behind on the playbook or anything.

Their differences in physical attributes doesn't matter. Especially if we're talking about who should get minutes...you play the guy who's producing. You really wanna lose games playing an undersized big cause it's easier to stomach?

If you're saying expectations are higher for McCormack than Wilson...sure. But both guys are playing far below what was expected of them.

What puts them in the same boat is that over the past two seasons they've both shown that their "off" games are really "off" and that they happen far too frequently.

Jalen is playing as a perimeter 4 guarding mostly other perimeter 4's he's not playing out of position.