Kansas Crimson

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:36 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:27 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:13 pm If KT takes the spear.....so be it

^^^^^

he was sloppy

Well in terms of punishment, it is or should be all relevant. In the very worst light, the interpretation can suggest that KT had knowledge of 3rd party cash going to 2 recruits that in one case never played a second of basketball for KU and another that was held out and re-held out as soon as the NCAA notified KU.

Compare that to the old TCU coach and Jaylen Fisher--KU is a big name, but was by far not the worst actor considering the (highly suspect) evidence, some of which was not admissible and therefore not considered by fact finders.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:00 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:36 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:27 pm

^^^^^

he was sloppy

Well in terms of punishment, it is or should be all relevant. In the very worst light, the interpretation can suggest that KT had knowledge of 3rd party cash going to 2 recruits that in one case never played a second of basketball for KU and another that was held out and re-held out as soon as the NCAA notified KU.

Compare that to the old TCU coach and Jaylen Fisher--KU is a big name, but was by far not the worst actor considering the (highly suspect) evidence, some of which was not admissible and therefore not considered by fact finders.

oh, i agree...the punishment should fit the crime, based on precedent

but he ncaa isn’t logical

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:16 pm so, what’s an “appropriate” punishment for KT?

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:19 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:16 pm so, what’s an “appropriate” punishment for KT?

I'm not sure hanging onto a mid-six-figure job for a few years past your expiration date, all so you're around to die at the right time, is all that much of a punishment.

Allowing college athletes to make money with their names is an obvious and welcome step. But let’s be clear: It’s only an interim solution to the problem of poor compensation for so-called amateur athletes.

Congress, or the courts, will eventually have to step in to make sure athletes are fully compensated for their work.

[...]

[T]he biggest concern remains fundamental: College sports generate billions of dollars each year for coaches, administrators and athletic departments. Everyone connected with college sports, from the ticket-taker to the reporters who cover the games, earns money directly from the games.

Except, that is, the students who play them.

“The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America,” Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh wrote in an NCAA case this month. “The NCAA is not above the law.”

Seen in that light, merely permitting the sale of NIL rights is pretty weak tea.

[...]

College athletes deserve an honest share of the revenue they produce. The NCAA has taken a small step in that direction, but Congress and the courts will have to take it from there.

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:27 am "Fully compensated for their work"

Thats where the breakdown is on this issue, at least on this board.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:29 am

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:27 am "Fully compensated for their work"

Thats where the breakdown is on this issue, at least on this board.

From my perspective, it's a "how" question. I personally don't feel that direct compensation (KU pays David McCormack) is necessary or even desirable. I do feel that KU needs to get the hell out of the way of him making money however he'd like, which - yes - likely means taking vastly less money from adidas etc.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:29 am

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:27 am "Fully compensated for their work"

Thats where the breakdown is on this issue, at least on this board.

From my perspective, it's a "how" question. I personally don't feel that direct compensation (KU pays David McCormack) is necessary or even desirable. I do feel that KU needs to get the hell out of the way of him making money however he'd like, which - yes - likely means taking vastly less money from adidas etc.

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:39 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:29 am

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:27 am "Fully compensated for their work"

Thats where the breakdown is on this issue, at least on this board.

From my perspective, it's a "how" question. I personally don't feel that direct compensation (KU pays David McCormack) is necessary or even desirable. I do feel that KU needs to get the hell out of the way of him making money however he'd like, which - yes - likely means taking vastly less money from adidas etc.

Yes. But my point is, i think the sticking point is a multi faceted offshoot of this

1. Players ARE compensated, significantly, compared to standard students.

2. Even if KU doesnt directly pay them, but "boosters" can pay them significant sums for insignificant work/appearances/autographs then that completely changes the landscape of college sports.

3. Minor league sports suck.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:09 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:29 am

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:27 am "Fully compensated for their work"

Thats where the breakdown is on this issue, at least on this board.

From my perspective, it's a "how" question. I personally don't feel that direct compensation (KU pays David McCormack) is necessary or even desirable. I do feel that KU needs to get the hell out of the way of him making money however he'd like, which - yes - likely means taking vastly less money from adidas etc.

NLI was always the starting point because restricting it in the first place was logically, legally, and morally built on the shakiest of grounds.

Now that that will be out of the way, it will give a better idea of what else can or really needs to be done.