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Re: i wonder what Robert Mueller is thinking
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:47 am
by Deleted User 89
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:42 pm
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:25 pm
honest question, has any of the dossier been proven false?
That's not the appropriate question.
The appropriate question is has any of it been proven true.
And on that, I'll defer to the guy who broke the Lewinsky story and who played a huge role in breaking the dossier story as well, Michael Isikoff:
Michael Isikoff, the chief investigative correspondent for Yahoo News, said Saturday during an interview on conservative commentator John Ziegler's "Free Speech Broadcasting" podcast that "Steele was clearly onto something" in his probe into the campaign's Russian connection but evidence has not surfaced to support some of his specific assertions.
Steele was correct to suspect "that there was a major Kremlin effort to interfere in our elections, that they were trying to help Trump's campaign, and that there were multiple contacts between various Russian figures close to the government and various people in the Trump campaign," Isikoff said.
But he said when "you actually get into the details of the Steele dossier, the specific allegations, we have not seen the evidence to support them, and, in fact, there's good grounds to think that some of the more sensational allegations will never be proven and are likely false."
"It's a mixed record at best," he said. "Things could change. Mueller may yet produce evidence that changes this calculation but based on the public record at this point, I'd have to say that most of the specific allegations have not been borne out."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 347833002/
seems perfectly appropriate, but perhaps it’s the scientist in me...trying to look at the narrative that most evidence is converging on
if some has proven out to be true, and nothing has been falsified, it doesn’t seem illogical to assume that more will be shown to be true
but, if this was truly all politically motivated (which i doubt), then logic obviously goes out the window
Re: i wonder what Robert Mueller is thinking
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:48 pm
by ousdahl
This has prob been mentioned, but it seems telling that when Trump was asked whether he ever worked with Russia, he just ranted about how the question as an insult, and did NOT simply say no he didn’t, like how, you know, a person who didn’t do something would normally respond.
Re: i wonder what Robert Mueller is thinking
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:59 pm
by Deleted User 62
Re: i wonder what Robert Mueller is thinking
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:20 pm
by RussianHawk
Everyone knows Trump is guilty of something --- Each supporter is just trying to figure out when they can't act as though all is OK anymore.
Re: i wonder what Robert Mueller is thinking
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:03 pm
by Deleted User 62
RussianHawk wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:20 pm
Everyone knows Trump is guilty of something --- Each supporter is just trying to figure out when they can't act as though all is OK anymore.
^^^^^
Re: i wonder what Robert Mueller is thinking
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:04 pm
by Deleted User 62
Ok, so who will be offered up as the first sacrificial lamb?
Re: i wonder what Robert Mueller is thinking
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:21 pm
by Shirley
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Re: i wonder what Robert Mueller is thinking
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:28 am
by Deleted User 89
Re: i wonder what Robert Mueller is thinking
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:55 am
by jfish26
Feral wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:21 pm
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One of the places this always seemed pointed to is that Trump really, truly, did not collude.
Because "collusion" implies a mutuality, a general balance of power, between or among the colluders.
It is very, very possible that what happened is that Trump - wittingly or not - got bailed out of dire financial straits by laundering, or being the locus of the laundering of, dirty Russian money.
Thanks to our society's perverse obsession with celebrity (among myriad other factors), Russia then found itself with leverage over someone who could actually ascend to the presidency (with a lot of help).
Because of the nature of
all of this, there were all sorts of shady characters in the Trump orbit who also needed help, and (being smarter and more resourceful than Trump)
did collude, but Trump himself is nothing more than a loud mark.
Re: i wonder what Robert Mueller is thinking
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:12 am
by dolomite
Re: i wonder what Robert Mueller is thinking
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:15 am
by Deleted User 75
What a shitshow.
Re: i wonder what Robert Mueller is thinking
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:23 am
by Geezer
The shear volume of sewage surrounding the Trump campaign is astonishing.
Re: i wonder what Robert Mueller is thinking
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:49 am
by TDub
Geezer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:23 am
The shear volume of sewage surrounding the Trump campaign is astonishing.
Agreed. And he sold it to a lot of people. The volume of sewage around hillary was large as well. Its embarrassing. We need better options.
Re: i wonder what Robert Mueller is thinking
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:51 am
by Deleted User 75
TDub wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:49 am Its embarrassing. We need better options.
Re: i wonder what Robert Mueller is thinking
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:25 am
by twocoach
IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:51 am
TDub wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:49 am Its embarrassing. We need better options.
It is nearly impossible to rise to this level without being surrounded by shit.
Wishing for a presidential candidate untouched by the shitshow is like wishing for a championship contender in college hoops who is untouched by the shoe companies. Good luck with that.
Re: i wonder what Robert Mueller is thinking
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:36 am
by Geezer
TDub wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:49 am
Geezer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:23 am
The shear volume of sewage surrounding the Trump campaign is astonishing.
Agreed. And he sold it to a lot of people. The volume of sewage around hillary was large as well. Its embarrassing. We need better options.
You had a vastly better option than the 5th avenue con man.
Re: i wonder what Robert Mueller is thinking
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:38 am
by Deleted User 75
LOL you mean Hillary?
No thanks. She's probably as corrupt as trump, just better at covering her tracks.
Re: i wonder what Robert Mueller is thinking
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:44 am
by Geezer
No
Re: i wonder what Robert Mueller is thinking
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:46 am
by Deleted User 75
If you say so.
Plus, there was a lot more riding on it than just 4 years of 1 or the other. You know that.
I'd still take trump over hillary.
Re: i wonder what Robert Mueller is thinking
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:52 am
by Deleted User 62
IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:46 am
I'd still take trump over hillary.
JFC