Kansas Crimson

Posted: **Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:11 am**

Well, since the trade (and going by Baseball Reference), Davis has a 2.7 WAR (trending 1.9, 1.1, -1.3), and Soler 3.3 (trending -1.3, 0.9, 3.7).

Davis has also been paid $34 million over those three years, compared to $12 million for Soler.

Davis is also owed $17 million in 2020, compared to $4.67 million for Soler. Soler is also 27 (versus 34), and is under club control at least through 2022.

And this outcome is not at all surprising - the context of the trade sucked, because it was part of a series of wishy-washy, are-we-or-aren't-we moves, but based on the numbers, the dollars, the ages and the positions, the Royals coming out as the winners of this trade was pretty predictable.

Posted: **Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:16 am**

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:19 am Probably also fair. I think the Royals are a good 2-3 years away, so that's where the stop-gap stuff comes in. If he's just average, or slightly below average, maybe the Royals have someone they like in the organization that takes over in year 3 or 4 when they should be good.

Obviously there's a gulf between talking the talk and walking the walk, but...Matheny nailed the talk part yesterday. Humble, curious, eager, confident-but-chastened. I feel much better about it today than I did a week ago, when I assumed (hopefully incorrectly) that Matheny was a static redass, who would bring the schtick here.

Posted: **Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:29 am**

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:11 am Well, since the trade (and going by Baseball Reference), Davis has a 2.7 WAR (trending 1.9, 1.1, -1.3), and Soler 3.3 (trending -1.3, 0.9, 3.7).

Davis has also been paid $34 million over those three years, compared to $12 million for Soler.

Davis is also owed $17 million in 2020, compared to $4.67 million for Soler. Soler is also 27 (versus 34), and is under club control at least through 2022.

And this outcome is not at all surprising - the context of the trade sucked, because it was part of a series of wishy-washy, are-we-or-aren't-we moves, but based on the numbers, the dollars, the ages and the positions, the Royals coming out as the winners of this trade was pretty predictable.

I read that Soler's WAR would have been well over 4 this year but the value of the HR took a sharp historical dive this year--which would make sense.

Posted: **Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:25 pm**

Maikel Franco is the 3rd baseman for KC. 1 year $3M deal.

Likely means Dozier to RF, Whit will be CF.

Posted: **Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:09 pm**

This is the sort of shit that just makes you question what exactly is the point of following the Royals. Because some area scout that liked Franco 5-7 years ago got hard, we're disrupting the progress of a breakout bat and turning a defensive plus into a defensive neutral (while adding wear and tear).

If you expect to be 81-81 and can, like, sign Rendon to play 3rd, sure, go ahead and tinker with everything else. But why do this? What purpose does it serve, except to say you did something?

Posted: **Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:21 pm**

Man, some people on twitter that follow the Royals religiously and write about them as well like the move.

Good value bat for that amount. Little risk, high reward. Also, seems to be them heavily relying on Grifol to help get things there.

Hit at least 20 HR in 3 of his 4 full seasons. Defense kind of stinks, though. 1.6 WAR.

Don't think there were better options out there. He's better than Cuthbert, Dozier is flexible enough to move around.

Posted: **Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:24 pm**

And I'll be clear, I don't think I love the move. But for $2.05M with $1M in incentives, I can handle this deal.

Royals seemed to be deciding between Franco and Travis Shaw and picked Franco because younger and higher upside.

Would have been ok with Shaw as well.

Posted: **Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:34 pm**

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:24 pm And I'll be clear, I don't think I love the move. But for $2.05M with $1M in incentives, I can handle this deal.

Royals seemed to be deciding between Franco and Travis Shaw and picked Franco because younger and higher upside.

Would have been ok with Shaw as well.

I just don't know why, for a move that will not change your fortunes in any material way, you'd mess with Dozier again, and ask Whit to play a more taxing position.

Posted: **Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:36 pm**

Whoa. David Glass sold the team and then months later, passes away.

Died last week 85 years old. Owned the Royals for 20 years.

Will always be remembered for his stubbornness, but then openness that helped lead the Royals to a great 2 year stretch.

Posted: **Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:40 pm**

Well, and also a main reason baseball is still in KC

Posted: **Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:24 pm**

Now that Glass is gone, do you think there's any danger that the Royals will not remain in KC?

Posted: **Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:44 pm**

Considering most of the ownership team is from KC, I highly doubt it.

Posted: **Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:17 pm**

lobster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:24 pm Now that Glass is gone, do you think there's any danger that the Royals will not remain in KC?

Nah. The new ownership team lead by John Sherman want to build a new ballpark in downtown KC. They are looking at privately financing the ballpark.

https://cityscenekc.com/new-royals-owne ... t-village/

Posted: **Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:10 pm**

My son sent me this text,"He gave me one. That's all I asked for."

Posted: **Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:51 pm**

Geezer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:10 pm My son sent me this text,"He gave me one. That's all I asked for."

QFT

Posted: **Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:07 am**

I think one of the Dunns is in the ownership group. That means downtown baseball.

Posted: **Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:19 am**

Leawood wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:07 am I think one of the Dunns is in the ownership group. That means downtown baseball.

The Dunn family, along with the Kemper family.

Posted: **Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:47 am**

Leawood wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:07 am I think one of the Dunns is in the ownership group. That means downtown baseball.

They want it across the street from them.

Posted: **Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:46 am**

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:51 pm
Geezer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:10 pm My son sent me this text,"He gave me one. That's all I asked for."
QFT

Considering that I never thought I would see a WS championship in my lifetime, I'm content with what happened in 2015.

Posted: **Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:33 am**

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:36 pm Whoa. David Glass sold the team and then months later, passes away.

Died last week 85 years old. Owned the Royals for 20 years.

Will always be remembered for his stubbornness, but then openness that helped lead the Royals to a great 2 year stretch.

Given the reports about his health around the time of the sale to Sherman, what a thoughtful, unselfish final gift Glass gave to the city - a sale under controlled circumstances to a group hand-picked to keep the club here. And, it should be noted, at a sale price that surely didn't maximize the return for him/his family.

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