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Re: The Worst People in the World...
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:20 pm
by Deleted User 289
IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:32 pm
I'm assuming the "padding" he's referencing is where if say...a patient is in hospice and is given 2 weeks to live, but then tests positive for covid19 and dies then it's counted as a covid19 death? Essentially that the numbers show number of people who died WITH covid19 rather than just those who died OF covid19?
I've said it before and I'll probably say it again.
Did the people who had COVID-19 - and died - die before they had COVID-19?
It's not an unreasonable thing to point out there is a difference between WITH and OF but the people HAD COVID-19 - and died.
So would it appease you if the death toll "score" stated COVID-19 RELATED deaths?
We can minimize or maximize the death toll all we want based on our "agendas". I really don't give a fuck if the number is being minimized or maximized.
I know it exists and a lot of people are dying WITH it - if not OF it. That's bad enough for me.
Re: The Worst People in the World...
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:21 pm
by DCHawk1
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:28 pm
It's about Eric. Hence, my choice for this thread.
In part.
Re: The Worst People in the World...
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:24 pm
by Deleted User 89
Grandma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:20 pm
IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:32 pm
I'm assuming the "padding" he's referencing is where if say...a patient is in hospice and is given 2 weeks to live, but then tests positive for covid19 and dies then it's counted as a covid19 death? Essentially that the numbers show number of people who died WITH covid19 rather than just those who died OF covid19?
I've said it before and I'll probably say it again.
Did the people who had COVID-19 - and died - die before they had COVID-19?
It's not an unreasonable thing to point out there is a difference between WITH and OF but the people HAD COVID-19 - and died.
So would it appease you if the death toll "score" stated COVID-19 RELATED deaths?
We can minimize or maximize the death toll all we want based on our "agendas". I really don't give a fuck if the number is being minimized or maximized.
I know it exists and a lot of people are dying WITH it - if not OF it. That's bad enough for me.
and the argument can be made that if these numbers are padded to a fault, that it’s likely true with all, or nearly all, other pandemics as well
it’s not like this would be something new, not accounting for the pathogen alone when there are other factors that “might” have been at play
Re: The Worst People in the World...
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:27 pm
by Deleted User 310
Grandma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:20 pm
IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:32 pm
I'm assuming the "padding" he's referencing is where if say...a patient is in hospice and is given 2 weeks to live, but then tests positive for covid19 and dies then it's counted as a covid19 death? Essentially that the numbers show number of people who died WITH covid19 rather than just those who died OF covid19?
I've said it before and I'll probably say it again.
Did the people who had COVID-19 - and died - die before they had COVID-19?
It's not an unreasonable thing to point out there is a difference between WITH and OF but the people HAD COVID-19 - and died.
So would it appease you if the death toll "score" stated COVID-19 RELATED deaths?
We can minimize or maximize the death toll all we want based on our "agendas". I really don't give a fuck if the number is being minimized or maximized.
I know it exists and a lot of people are dying WITH it - if not OF it. That's bad enough for me.
Just to clarify, I don't care if the number is being maximized or minimized based on how they're coding the deaths. I agree with everything you said.
....but I do think it's silly that 1 of our state officials said that even if it's clear that the person died from a different cause, they're still added to the toll if they are positive for covid19....even say, if they die in a car accident on the way home after being released from the hospital for covid19 but not yet testing negative.... (but regardless, this number of instances is incredibly low, and largely irrelevant.....but like you said..."agendas" and such.
Re: The Worst People in the World...
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:48 pm
by ChalkRocker
wow. This is, like, a kinda sad case-study...
Re: The Worst People in the World...
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:48 pm
by ChalkRocker
IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:27 pm
Grandma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:20 pm
IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:32 pm
I'm assuming the "padding" he's referencing is where if say...a patient is in hospice and is given 2 weeks to live, but then tests positive for covid19 and dies then it's counted as a covid19 death? Essentially that the numbers show number of people who died WITH covid19 rather than just those who died OF covid19?
I've said it before and I'll probably say it again.
Did the people who had COVID-19 - and died - die before they had COVID-19?
It's not an unreasonable thing to point out there is a difference between WITH and OF but the people HAD COVID-19 - and died.
So would it appease you if the death toll "score" stated COVID-19 RELATED deaths?
We can minimize or maximize the death toll all we want based on our "agendas". I really don't give a fuck if the number is being minimized or maximized.
I know it exists and a lot of people are dying WITH it - if not OF it. That's bad enough for me.
Just to clarify, I don't care if the number is being maximized or minimized based on how they're coding the deaths. I agree with everything you said.
....but I do think it's silly that 1 of our state officials said that even if it's clear that the person died from a different cause, they're still added to the toll if they are positive for covid19....even say, if they die in a car accident on the way home after being released from the hospital for covid19 but not yet testing negative.... (but regardless, this number of instances is incredibly low, and largely irrelevant.....but like you said..."agendas" and such.
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Re: The Worst People in the World...
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:52 pm
by Deleted User 289
IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:27 pm
Grandma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:20 pm
IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:32 pm
I'm assuming the "padding" he's referencing is where if say...a patient is in hospice and is given 2 weeks to live, but then tests positive for covid19 and dies then it's counted as a covid19 death? Essentially that the numbers show number of people who died WITH covid19 rather than just those who died OF covid19?
I've said it before and I'll probably say it again.
Did the people who had COVID-19 - and died - die before they had COVID-19?
It's not an unreasonable thing to point out there is a difference between WITH and OF but the people HAD COVID-19 - and died.
So would it appease you if the death toll "score" stated COVID-19 RELATED deaths?
We can minimize or maximize the death toll all we want based on our "agendas". I really don't give a fuck if the number is being minimized or maximized.
I know it exists and a lot of people are dying WITH it - if not OF it. That's bad enough for me.
Just to clarify, I don't care if the number is being maximized or minimized based on how they're coding the deaths. I agree with everything you said.
....but I do think it's silly that 1 of our state officials said that even if it's clear that the person died from a different cause, they're still added to the toll if they are positive for covid19....even say, if they die in a car accident on the way home after being released from the hospital for covid19 but not yet testing negative.... (but regardless, this number of instances is incredibly low, and largely irrelevant.....but like you said..."agendas" and such.
I'm not smart enough to know what Doctors are told to put on death certificates when someone was COVID-19 "positive" so I am not going to try and break down why the number of deaths is being defined how it is.
If I wanted to get philosophical I might ask why are the people who say the number of deaths is inflated not saying that the number of "cases" is also very misleading?
Re: The Worst People in the World...
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:11 pm
by Geezer
Illy is back and starting another pointless argument.
Re: The Worst People in the World...
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:28 pm
by ChalkRocker
Geezer wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:11 pm
Illy is back and starting another pointless argument.
...with himself...
Re: The Worst People in the World...
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:00 pm
by Deleted User 310
No argument here. I agree with everything gutter said in both of his post to me. (I didn't respond to his last because I don't want to be accused as arguing with him when I agree with his statement(s))
For most areas I think everyone should stay home as much as possible for another month or 2 so that the amount of cases is low enough/so low, and/that testing is available enough, that it is possible/realistic to do meaningful contact tracing. Then you slowly open things up safely, but life has to change at least a little bit until a vaccine is available or this is gone.
Re: The Worst People in the World...
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:20 pm
by ChalkRocker
IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:00 pm
No argument here. I agree with everything gutter said in both of his post to me. (I didn't respond to his last because I don't want to be accused as arguing with him when I agree with his statement(s))
lol
Re: The Worst People in the World...
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:46 pm
by Deleted User 310
Re: The Worst People in the World...
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:54 pm
by ChalkRocker
Re: The Worst People in the World...
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:59 pm
by Deleted User 62
Geezer wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:11 pm
Illy is back and starting another pointless argument.
Your expectations to the contrary?
Re: The Worst People in the World...
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:56 am
by chiknbut
Let's just say that anyone who agrees with Dinesh D'Souza on this or any other matter, deserves to be posting on this thread.
Re: The Worst People in the World...
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:11 am
by DCHawk1
I remember when I used to confuse Dinesh D'Souza and Deepak Chopra for one another.
Who knew that would wind be an incredible insult to Chopra?
Re: The Worst People in the World...
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:03 am
by defixione
D'Souza has really changed his course from writing tunes for marching bands.
Re: The Worst People in the World...
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:09 am
by PhDhawk
Remember that magical summer when he and D'McGwire had that homerun chase?
Re: The Worst People in the World...
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:10 am
by ousdahl
All I know is, thank the lord this dude’s handler never accepted cash to pay for an online class.
Re: The Worst People in the World...
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:15 am
by Deleted User 89
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:11 am
I remember when I used to confuse Dinesh D'Souza and Deepak Chopra for one another.
Who knew that would wind be an incredible insult to Chopra?
racist
