Kansas Crimson

Posted: **Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:14 pm**

"I highly doubt you and other "muh freedom of speech" folks know what the 1st Amendment actually is. You can say what you want without being arrested."

Do you even read ?

"and this is obviously my ideal theoretical environment of protections so I don't really care about current interpretations of how the law deals with emotional distress, that doesn't validate an argument for me "

"And it's not unreasonable to think that if you were caught even saying the things that I currently am ( defending free speech and it's protections MORE than just the general interpretation of our constitution - and I KNOW that he isn't being prosecuted for his words - but I am speaking to the danger of speech when it comes to your current/future employment ) at your place of employment, you could be fired in today's environment. "

Posted: **Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:15 pm**

pdub, quit feeding the troll. Vega is dumb.

Posted: **Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:18 pm**

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:13 pm For instance, if someone say, searched outbreakorn's comments on kusports.com, ( and not me - just being absolute clear, it's why I think it's stupid, I would never actually do something like this ), they could potentially bring something(s) that offended them to your place of employment and pressure your employer to become judge and jury.

Now before the threat of instant negative PR ( i.e. social media ) an employer would probably be able to logically/carefully consider the information, have a conversation with you and determine whether WORDS you spoke actually affect how you perform at your job. But now, with the right pressure from twitter, a mob ( and please - don't respond with some sort of 'wow, overreacting' - this is happening ) can find out who you are, where you work, and all, despite the fact they have no interest or knowledge of who you are, fight until they feel justified in 'winning' because of something you said 10 years ago.

https://www.google.com/search?q=outbrea ... 0&bih=1329

Seems like that dude was pretty fun. I dunno.

Posted: **Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:27 pm**

If the corruption ( actions ) is proven to be corruption, absolutely, get the dude outta here.
If he's proven to not hire women or black people, or fire them without cause, or make sexual advances towards women at work ( actions ), get the dude outta here.
If he's talking trash on black history month or saying he prefers hiring women because they work harder and are cheaper, he's an asshole, but does it effect his job performance?

The WVU defensive coordinator just got let go for what sounds like some words he said.

And I know what the current environment is, I am not arguing what is in place, I am arguing that I feel it is wrong to this degree.

Posted: **Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:29 pm**

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:27 pm If the corruption ( actions ) is proven to be corruption, absolutely, get the dude outta here.
If he's proven to not hire women or black people, or fire them without cause, or make sexual advances towards women at work ( actions ), get the dude outta here.
If he's talking trash on black history month or saying he prefers hiring women because they work harder and are cheaper, he's an asshole, but does it effect his job performance?

Hypothetically, I can in my hiring, say I wouldn't want to hire a jew, but as long as I hire a jew, that's okay? I'm sorry, but this is incorrect.

Words. Matter.

Posted: **Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:36 pm**

Words don't matter as much as some of us have made them matter.
They are words.

If someone is at work and saying things that are making people uncomfortable, they need to be told this, even higher ups, and have the opportunity to change. If there is no change, then yes, if they are continually at the work place saying obviously racist/sexist etc things, they should be let go.

If someone is not at work and saying something that makes someone uncomfortable, I believe that should be significantly different when it comes to cause for job performance, and I know that isn't the case right now, I am arguing that this trend is subjective and perhaps in time, dangerous.

Posted: **Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:47 pm**

How about Donald Sterling? Was it not just for him to lose his team based on racist remarks?

Posted: **Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:50 pm**

BTW, it sounds like he's making the team uncomfortable. And the Jets haven't been good for years. Sounds like he's got to go

Posted: **Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:59 pm**

No - not for the remarks that he made over the phone.
I argued against that on com or net.
I don't think that personal comments, especially ones recorded without knowledge that it will be presented to the public, should be an end-all to your position or job performance.

It is an opinion - I know it is not how it is currently - how it is currently does not make it right, it is at it's heart, subjective, and by having this opinion, it does not ( just preparing for a possible asinine disconnected leap to accusation ) make me a supporter of racists, sexists, homophobes, bigots nor does it make me a racist, sexist, homophobe or bigot.

I don't support people talking like that.
I for one do not talk like that.
I have banned people on net and kcrim for doing it here.
But if 100 twitter users re-tweeted something that a poster said on twitter, and for that/some reason pressured me to ban them, I wouldn't ban him/her from here.

Posted: **Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:04 pm**

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:59 pm No.
I argued against that on com or net.
I don't think that personal comments, especially ones recorded without knowledge that it will be presented to the public, should be an end-all to your position or job performance.

It is an opinion - I know it is not how it is currently - how it is currently does not make it right, it is at it's heart, subjective, and by having this opinion, it does not ( just preparing for a possible asinine disconnected leap to accusation ) make me a supporter of racists, sexists, homophobes, bigots nor does it make me a racist, sexist, homophobe or bigot.

I don't support people talking like that.
I have banned people on net and kcrim for doing it here.
But if 100 twitter users re-tweeted something that a poster said on twitter, I wouldn't ban him/her from here.

Okay, we can agree to disagree. At least you are consistent, and we can leave it there.

I will say I used to say words don't matter, then social media broke society, and I now disagree with my former position. Now my MIL thinks that all the hospitals are lying about COVID deaths, that COVID is not real, and fabricated by health care professionals because she saw a video on youtube about it. Its devastated my wife, and myself as well. And this is just one of the dozen of issues that have come up in the last five years or so, but it's the one that's likely going to kill my wife's only parent she ever had.

It's just words, but I do think they have more meaning.

Unrelated to our discussion, this is now going around the web with Woody. This might do him in more than any words:

Posted: **Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:08 pm**

Words certainly matter in your private life.
They can be painful, cause relationships to end.
I think there needs to be a clear separation/protection from personal life to work life - if you act professionally at work and perform well that should be the main justification for you keeping your job - not for something you might have said while drunk seven years ago that someone you didn't know was recording you, recorded, or something you posted five years ago on twitter.

Posted: **Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:09 pm**

If someone connects his ( Woody ) words with actions, again, by all means, get him the fuck out.
Or if he has a history of legitimate verbal abuse at the workplace, and there is a record of his being warned, then by all means, get him the fuck out.

Posted: **Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:20 pm**

"Okay, we can agree to disagree."

This comment is very encouraging, almost euphoric.

Posted: **Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:28 pm**

Current society has gone a bit overboard on a number of fronts.

Posted: **Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:48 am**

On Topic: New name is...Washington Football Team

Posted: **Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:56 pm**

Good lord lorrie

Posted: **Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:00 pm**

Now that is hilarious.

Posted: **Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:49 pm**

This all reminds me a little bit of the negationism that Orwell refers to in 1984

Im not talking specifically about the redskins thing just more generally

Posted: **Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:31 am**

So now, the team is named after a slave owner.

They don’t get it!

Posted: **Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:51 am**

Gave the people, who don't care ( certainly not about football ) except to get what they want, what they wanted.

I like it.
Football team.
Is that safe enough?

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