Kansas Crimson

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:28 pm recruiting has suffered because of the never ending investigation.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:22 pm

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:11 pm Self hated the bench. It's pretty clear. Not great roster construction from him for the 22-23 season. But it's tough with the portal.

Need shooters. Isiah Moss types.

GM Bill has had a pretty rough run over the last, what, 5-7 years.

randylahey wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:49 pm

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:28 pm recruiting has suffered because of the never ending investigation.

We had 3 mcdonalds all americans this season. And another highly touted 4 star. And Kevin mccullar.. one of the best transfer available. I think recruiting is fine

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:22 pm

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:11 pm Self hated the bench. It's pretty clear. Not great roster construction from him for the 22-23 season. But it's tough with the portal.

Need shooters. Isiah Moss types.

GM Bill has had a pretty rough run over the last, what, 5-7 years.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:13 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:59 pm

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:57 pmYesufu gone now

Up to 2 spots open now. Going to be all in on the transfer market now. A shooter and a big.

is the big just an assumption?

i’d think a couple prototypical combo guards that can shoot a bit (and aren’t midgets) would be the targets…a guy that can play on ball or off, coupled with a bigger “wing”

ousdahl wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:02 pm Udeh
KJ
MJ
Elmarko
Dajuan

or something. We'll be in the transfer game too. And, why not, maybe some unexpected return/s.

and dunno if we keep any of Bobby/Yes/Zach/Cam/Cuffe

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:18 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:13 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:59 pm

Up to 2 spots open now. Going to be all in on the transfer market now. A shooter and a big.

is the big just an assumption?

i’d think a couple prototypical combo guards that can shoot a bit (and aren’t midgets) would be the targets…a guy that can play on ball or off, coupled with a bigger “wing”

Pretty sure this describes our incoming freshmen

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:16 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:22 pm

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:11 pm Self hated the bench. It's pretty clear. Not great roster construction from him for the 22-23 season. But it's tough with the portal.

Need shooters. Isiah Moss types.

GM Bill has had a pretty rough run over the last, what, 5-7 years.

No. Name a coach who has been a better GM.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:44 pm

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:16 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:22 pm

GM Bill has had a pretty rough run over the last, what, 5-7 years.

No. Name a coach who has been a better GM.

I love Bill, but: lots of them, frankly?

18-19 - Arguably the worst team of Bill's era (101 minutes (!) per game for Vick/Grimes/Garrett/Moore)

19-20 - (sigh)

20-21 - Not good, 83 minutes per game for Garrett/Thompson/Harris/Enaruna/Grant-Foster

21-22 - Not good until Remy caught a heater

22-23 - Bench gave us nearly nothing

To be clear: maybe, with all of that, we have still been the best team over that span. It's possible!

But that's Coach Bill, not GM Bill. These have NOT been very good rosters.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:03 pm The biggest problem is we consistently have guys playing one role above what you'd like to see. Garrett and Harris are the easy examples.

You want guys like that on your team, but you want them playing 16-24 minutes or something. Not being linchpins.

For example, from his sophomore through senior years, Russell Robinson (who was much better than Garrett or Harris) averaged about 8/4.5/3/2/0.5 in about 28 minutes. On the best teams he was on, he averaged five FGA/game.

THAT's what you want out of guys like him. You DON'T want Harris averaging 34 minutes and 7.7 FGA like he did this year. Or - ugh - Garrett averaging 33 minutes and 8.8 FGA like he did in 20-21.

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:05 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:03 pm The biggest problem is we consistently have guys playing one role above what you'd like to see. Garrett and Harris are the easy examples.

You want guys like that on your team, but you want them playing 16-24 minutes or something. Not being linchpins.

For example, from his sophomore through senior years, Russell Robinson (who was much better than Garrett or Harris) averaged about 8/4.5/3/2/0.5 in about 28 minutes. On the best teams he was on, he averaged five FGA/game.

THAT's what you want out of guys like him. You DON'T want Harris averaging 34 minutes and 7.7 FGA like he did this year. Or - ugh - Garrett averaging 33 minutes and 8.8 FGA like he did in 20-21.

RussRob was not much better than Garrett or Harris.
Not even "better".
I'd say not even equal.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:16 pm the best part is that we no longer have to be tortured by the "joe vs bobby" blather.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:29 pm

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:05 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:03 pm The biggest problem is we consistently have guys playing one role above what you'd like to see. Garrett and Harris are the easy examples.

You want guys like that on your team, but you want them playing 16-24 minutes or something. Not being linchpins.

For example, from his sophomore through senior years, Russell Robinson (who was much better than Garrett or Harris) averaged about 8/4.5/3/2/0.5 in about 28 minutes. On the best teams he was on, he averaged five FGA/game.

THAT's what you want out of guys like him. You DON'T want Harris averaging 34 minutes and 7.7 FGA like he did this year. Or - ugh - Garrett averaging 33 minutes and 8.8 FGA like he did in 20-21.

RussRob was not much better than Garrett or Harris.
Not even "better".
I'd say not even equal.

Russell left a lot on the table, individually. I personally think he would have done better than Garrett and Harris did, in the too-big roles they ended up in.