trump’s promises

[DeletedUser]

I admit I didn't read every single word of entire transcripts, but yes, I did read articles that reported the details of the campaigns. Do you mean to suggest that's inadequate?

It appears to have been inadequate, yes.

Because not too long ago you mentioned all these things she should have cared about, but didn't, and PDub (iirc) very quickly took the time to provide the info that she actual had provided positions on almost every single topic you said she didn't.

Do you seriously not remember what goes on here? It's like you throw so much shit at the wall to see what sticks that you can't even remember what you've said or what has happened.

I get it. This is your free therapy and apparently only human interaction day to day. I guess the interview thread means you're unemployed again, so the days around here will be long and the posts plenty until a new job is found.

I wish you the best in whatever you're trying to accomplish here. Some sort of self fulfillment of doing something while actually doing nothing to help whatever cause you're passionate about at the moment.

[twocoach]

ha. no, not at all.

If anything, it's a "maybe Kamala would have fared better against Trump if she actually articulated some campaign idea better than Trump's rather than otherwise campaigning as Trump-Lite" kink.

They are articulated ALL OVER the fucking place. I found all of this in five seconds. The problem is that most American voters are not mentally curious enough to seek it out or too partisan to intake it as truth. They either believe that the info doesn't exist like you are claiming or don't believe it when provided the information.

It didn't matter by 2024 (how, like, CNN covered Trump in 2024 was functionally irrelevant), but what we're dealing with here is the eminently-foreseeable consequence of the media normalizing Trump in 2016.

The mainstream media - which to be clear not just includes Fox but arguably is led by Fox - cynically chose to play rent-seeking bookmaker over other roles. The consequence of that choice was a profound de-emphasizing of not just the importance of, but even a minimum level of discussion of, actual policy issues.

We live in a "TLDR" society that celebrates complainers. People want fast, easy to digest information fed directly to them through one portal so they do not have to go out looking for it. The only way to create "fast and easy" is to create something that hasn't been vetted and only contains a limited amount of the total info available. The same people who scream "I'm not reading all that shit" are the same people who will be complaining "why didn't anyone TELL ME that?!?"

Fast and easy food is mostly low quality shit that is unbalanced and bad for you. Why would anyone think that fast and easy news would be any different?

[BiggDick]

I admit I didn't read every single word of entire transcripts, but yes, I did read articles that reported the details of the campaigns. Do you mean to suggest that's inadequate?

It appears to have been inadequate, yes.

Because not too long ago you mentioned all these things she should have cared about, but didn't, and PDub (iirc) very quickly took the time to provide the info that she actual had provided positions on almost every single topic you said she didn't.

Do you seriously not remember what goes on here? It's like you throw so much shit at the wall to see what sticks that you can't even remember what you've said or what has happened.

I get it. This is your free therapy and apparently only human interaction day to day. I guess the interview thread means you're unemployed again, so the days around here will be long and the posts plenty until a new job is found.

I wish you the best in whatever you're trying to accomplish here. Some sort of self fulfillment of doing something while actually doing nothing to help whatever cause you're passionate about at the moment.

wow.

I do recall PDub did provide a link to Kamala's website that offered campaign talking points on certain issues. I also recall responding with my thoughts on each issue, and on how effective I thought they were as campaign talking points. (Spoiler alert: apparently they weren't!)

now, here's one more question for you:

how would you feel if I started with personal attacks against you as disgusting as you do against me?

And, for the record, I don't mean that in a "play the victim" kinda way! Just in an annoying kinda way...like the same way an insect that won't stop buzzing in your face can annoy you. You don't feel victimized by the insect, so much as you just want it to leave you alone.

but, since you won't leave me alone, even when I've ignored you previously, is it OK if I start attacking you personally right back?

[DeletedUser]

Oh, you mean like in yesterday's meltdown?

LOL

You're only hurting yourself at this point man. I know you think it's a small minority of posters here who have lost interest in interacting with you, but it's not. Most people just ignore you already.

I treat you fairly when you deserve it. I've been interactive and polite on sports issues with you already today. You get to choose the path with me. But this path you're on over here ain't it.

[BiggDick]

They are articulated ALL OVER the fucking place. I found all of this in five seconds. The problem is that most American voters are not mentally curious enough to seek it out or too partisan to intake it as truth. They either believe that the info doesn't exist like you are claiming or don't believe it when provided the information.

It didn't matter by 2024 (how, like, CNN covered Trump in 2024 was functionally irrelevant), but what we're dealing with here is the eminently-foreseeable consequence of the media normalizing Trump in 2016.

The mainstream media - which to be clear not just includes Fox but arguably is led by Fox - cynically chose to play rent-seeking bookmaker over other roles. The consequence of that choice was a profound de-emphasizing of not just the importance of, but even a minimum level of discussion of, actual policy issues.

We live in a "TLDR" society that celebrates complainers. People want fast, easy to digest information fed directly to them through one portal so they do not have to go out looking for it. The only way to create "fast and easy" is to create something that hasn't been vetted and only contains a limited amount of the total info available. The same people who scream "I'm not reading all that shit" are the same people who will be complaining "why didn't anyone TELL ME that?!?"

Fast and easy food is mostly low quality shit that is unbalanced and bad for you. Why would anyone think that fast and easy news would be any different?

this is a good post.

We live in the era of fast-food information, so to speak. Maybe in a sense it was always that way. Or maybe the era of so much information being accessible either way has only amplified what was always a less-than-informed people.

I'm tempted to go for some parallel between the ruling class that wants to feed us (unhealthy but easier to bring to market so highly profitable) fast food is the same ruling class that wants to feed us (unhealthy but easier to bring to market so highly profitable) fast media. but man that point just seems gross.

I think another big issue with misinformation is, too many folks think misinformation is just some partisan issue, which only affects the other side; rather than being some bigger systemic issue that affects us all more in an up-and-down class hierarchy kinda way.

[BiggDick]

Oh, you mean like in yesterday's meltdown?

LOL

You're only hurting yourself at this point man. I know you think it's a small minority of posters here who have lost interest in interacting with you, but it's not. Most people just ignore you already.

I treat you fairly when you deserve it. I've been interactive and polite on sports issues with you already today. You get to choose the path with me. But this path you're on over here ain't it.

dude I really don't think that was a meltdown. Far from it! I roasted you with some dick jokes, in the QT thread at that.

If you really can't see the fun in that, boy do I feel sorry for you. That means you won't laugh at dicks even though you'll still have to deal with the same amount of dicks in the world. Sucks for you bro! Maybe try to lighten up. Besides, I think some of those dick jokes were actually pretty funny.

Do you really not see the fun in a roast? Like do you watch those Friar's Club specials when they get some celebrity up there with friends and other celebrities and think, MeLtDoWn!!!! That really would be tragic, but I suppose you really do act uptight enough to be that way.

Back to point:

Who ignores me?

MOST posters do? You sure? I thought twocoach did but apparently not. Glad he didn't, as I usually enjoy discussions with him.

So, again, who ignores me? Whether actually utilize the "ignore" feature, or just effectively ignore me, and at least make the effort to just leave me alone, which you so clearly don't.

[twocoach]

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opi ... rcna179974

"During his eight years representing New York’s 1st Congressional District, Rep. Lee Zeldin, the president-elect’s pick to head the Environmental Protection Agency, earned a dismal 14% on the national environmental scorecard put together by the League of Conservation Voters. Among other things, he voted against a bill that would protect about 1 million acres of federal lands around Grand Canyon National Park from uranium mining; voted against establishing a White House office of climate resilience; for a bill to end the U.S.’s participation in the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change; and against a bill that would have invested billions to fully replace lead service lines that provide drinking water for people across the country.

Zeldin’s opposition to essential protections for clean air and water makes him unqualified to lead the EPA. But President-elect Donald Trump’s nomination of Zeldin to that role signals the incoming president’s intent to once again prioritize corporate interests over the health and safety of our communities."

Congrats America on another choice that will put corporate profits ahead of the American people.

[TDub]

Trump is essentially Biff Tannen from Back to the Future II right?



for those counting thats 2 BTTF references from me today

[KUTradition]

Trump is essentially Biff Tannen from Back to the Future II right?



for those counting thats 2 BTTF references from me today

lots of similarities, that’s for sure

[jfish26]

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opi ... rcna179974

"During his eight years representing New York’s 1st Congressional District, Rep. Lee Zeldin, the president-elect’s pick to head the Environmental Protection Agency, earned a dismal 14% on the national environmental scorecard put together by the League of Conservation Voters. Among other things, he voted against a bill that would protect about 1 million acres of federal lands around Grand Canyon National Park from uranium mining; voted against establishing a White House office of climate resilience; for a bill to end the U.S.’s participation in the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change; and against a bill that would have invested billions to fully replace lead service lines that provide drinking water for people across the country.

Zeldin’s opposition to essential protections for clean air and water makes him unqualified to lead the EPA. But President-elect Donald Trump’s nomination of Zeldin to that role signals the incoming president’s intent to once again prioritize corporate interests over the health and safety of our communities."

Congrats America on another choice that will put corporate profits ahead of the American people.

The election was a referendum on which reality we live in.

In the reality that won, it seems to me like "Zeldin’s opposition to essential protections for clean air and water makes him" extremely qualified "to lead the EPA."

[KUTradition]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/inv ... 335443007/

and:

https://www.startribune.com/trump-defen ... /601181381

[KUTradition]

this shit is getting good!

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) said that former Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, President-elect Trump’s pick for national intelligence director, is “likely a Russian asset.”

“There’s no question I consider her someone who is likely a Russian asset,” Wasserman Schultz said on MSNBC on Friday…

[twocoach]

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opi ... rcna179974

"During his eight years representing New York’s 1st Congressional District, Rep. Lee Zeldin, the president-elect’s pick to head the Environmental Protection Agency, earned a dismal 14% on the national environmental scorecard put together by the League of Conservation Voters. Among other things, he voted against a bill that would protect about 1 million acres of federal lands around Grand Canyon National Park from uranium mining; voted against establishing a White House office of climate resilience; for a bill to end the U.S.’s participation in the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change; and against a bill that would have invested billions to fully replace lead service lines that provide drinking water for people across the country.

Zeldin’s opposition to essential protections for clean air and water makes him unqualified to lead the EPA. But President-elect Donald Trump’s nomination of Zeldin to that role signals the incoming president’s intent to once again prioritize corporate interests over the health and safety of our communities."

Congrats America on another choice that will put corporate profits ahead of the American people.

The election was a referendum on which reality we live in.

In the reality that won, it seems to me like "Zeldin’s opposition to essential protections for clean air and water makes him" extremely qualified "to lead the EPA."

The people who felt like being a lawyer, former prosecutor, US senator and Vice President wasn't enough to make Kamala Harris qualified to be President are the same ones who feel that RFK Jr., Tulsi Gabbard, Elon Musk, Lee Zerdin, Vivek R... Matt Gaetz and Pete Hegspeth are somehow perfectly qualified to serve in the Cabinet.

Completely moronic.

[jfish26]

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opi ... rcna179974

"During his eight years representing New York’s 1st Congressional District, Rep. Lee Zeldin, the president-elect’s pick to head the Environmental Protection Agency, earned a dismal 14% on the national environmental scorecard put together by the League of Conservation Voters. Among other things, he voted against a bill that would protect about 1 million acres of federal lands around Grand Canyon National Park from uranium mining; voted against establishing a White House office of climate resilience; for a bill to end the U.S.’s participation in the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change; and against a bill that would have invested billions to fully replace lead service lines that provide drinking water for people across the country.

Zeldin’s opposition to essential protections for clean air and water makes him unqualified to lead the EPA. But President-elect Donald Trump’s nomination of Zeldin to that role signals the incoming president’s intent to once again prioritize corporate interests over the health and safety of our communities."

Congrats America on another choice that will put corporate profits ahead of the American people.

The election was a referendum on which reality we live in.

In the reality that won, it seems to me like "Zeldin’s opposition to essential protections for clean air and water makes him" extremely qualified "to lead the EPA."

The people who felt like being a lawyer, former prosecutor, US senator and Vice President wasn't enough to make Kamala Harris qualified to be President are the same ones who feel that RFK Jr., Tulsi Gabbard, Elon Musk, Lee Zerdin, Vivek R... Matt Gaetz and Pete Hegspeth are somehow perfectly qualified to serve in the Cabinet.

Completely moronic.

Gonna be like this all over the place.

Just wait until the agencies cook the books to hide Trumpflation, and then all the sudden the rubes will (simultaneously) wonder why they can't afford anything, and yet champion the bogus stats as evidence of Trump's economic mastery.

[KUTradition]

Woman told House Ethics panel she witnessed Gaetz having sex with minor, lawyer says

(ABC)

[jfish26]

Woman told House Ethics panel she witnessed Gaetz having sex with minor, lawyer says

(ABC)

Ask a Trumper whether, if his 17 year old son signs a contract to give Greenpeace his inheritance, Greenpeace should be allowed to enforce that contract.

And now tell me what that means this alleged conduct, if true, was.

[jfish26]

Especially insane when you consider that the ur-conspiracy theory that kicked all of this off was … about child sex trafficking

[KUTradition]

meh…what do they know? they were all part of the plandemic (all of them, every single one, all over the world)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... a-kennedy/

Health officials around the world are alarmed over the likely impact of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. — a longtime vaccine skeptic who was tapped for the health secretary role this week — on global health. Experts from Samoa have been particularly vocal in sounding the alarm, citing the destructive impact of Kennedy’s rhetoric on the tiny Polynesian island nation.

Warning that Kennedy will empower the global anti-vaccine movement and may advocate for reduced funding for international agencies, Aiono Prof Alec Ekeroma, the director general of health for Samoa’s Health Ministry told The Washington Post that Kennedy “will be directly responsible for killing thousands of children around the world by allowing preventable infectious diseases to run rampant.”

“I don’t think it’s a legacy that should be associated with the Kennedy name,” Ekeroma said in an email Friday.

Ekeroma recalled a disastrous epidemic in 2019, when measles spread rapidly across the small Pacific Ocean country. Of Samoa’s population of 200,000, more than 5,700 were infected and 83 died, many of them young children. Hospitals were overrun, and the nation declared a state of emergency. To stop the outbreak, Samoa launched a massive vaccination campaign, and unvaccinated families were asked to hang red flags outside their homes.

The island nation already had a lagging measles vaccination rate of only about a third of infants, plummeting from 90 percent in 2013. Health experts attributed that drop in part to a public health scandal in which two nurses improperly mixed the measles vaccine with the wrong liquid, resulting in the deaths of two infants. Both nurses were sentenced to five years in prison, and the vaccination program was temporarily suspended — but the accident also opened the door to a wave of vaccine misinformation, including from Kennedy and his anti-vaccine nonprofit.

Kennedy had visited Samoa only four months before the outbreak and met with anti-vaccine advocates. He later characterized the outbreak in Samoa as “mild.”

A representative for Kennedy did not respond to a request for comment.

Among the lessons Samoa learned from the outbreak was that low vaccination rates for infectious diseases are “an invitation to disaster,” the Health Ministry’s Ekeroma said. “Vaccine confidence in the population is of utmost importance.”

The short-term impact of influential anti-vaccine rhetoric is the loss of trust in public health authorities, said Helen Petousis-Harris, a New Zealand-based vaccinologist and co-director of the Global Vaccine Data Network, who worked on vaccine safety information and advocacy during the Samoa outbreak. The long-term effect is the “inevitable resurgence of diseases,” she added. “It always happens.”

Global health officials worry that Kennedy’s nomination Thursday to lead the Department of Health and Human Services will have far-reaching effects, given the U.S. government’s outsize role in setting the global health agenda.

Lawrence O. Gostin, a leading expert in public health law at Georgetown Law, said that he has “never seen a darker day for global health than after the election of President Trump.”

Scientific recommendations and guidelines from U.S. government agencies including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration have long been seen globally as the gold standard.

The FDA for instance, said Petousis-Harris, is a “big and powerful regulatory agency, whose standards, because it’s so big, can be relied on by smaller markets.” She cited her home New Zealand as one such example: “No way could we go through the same process independently for the same medicine. I don’t think people realize how vital that is.”

If countries “can no longer trust that our scientists are experienced and wise, and that there’s [not] politics intertwined with science, there’ll be no gold standard to look toward,” said Gostin.

If the U.S. health agencies that are looked to for reliable medical research and guidance are “headed by Trump loyalists who are not respected scientists, who have skepticism of evidence, and their funding will be hollowed out,” said Gostin, “that’s a very dim future for public and global health.”

Kennedy has for years questioned federal agencies charged with vaccine production and safety, promoted debunked claims linking vaccines to autism, and challenged the CDC’s recommended list of vaccines for children. He founded and chaired one of the nation’s most prominent anti-vaccine groups, Children’s Health Defense, a prolific and lucrative spreader of anti-vaccine misinformation online.

President-elect Donald Trump and Kennedy have “similar core values,” Gostin said, citing a hostility to science as well as skepticism of “vitally important” public health interventions. Both have also embraced “America First” isolationism and an antipathy toward international public health agencies such as the World Health Organization, he said.

“That suggests to me that there’s going to be a huge assault on international cooperation in global health,” Gostin said.

Kennedy’s spokeswoman previously told The Washington Post that Kennedy is not “anti-vaccine,” and in early November, Kennedy told NPR that he would not take vaccines away from anybody. “The science on vaccine safety particularly has huge deficits, and we’re going to make sure those scientific studies are done and that people can make informed choices,” he said.

Globally, falling vaccination rates have already resulted in a rise in measles cases in recent years, spurred in part by rising vaccine hesitancy.

Global measles cases surged by more than 20 percent to an estimated 10.3 million last year, the WHO and the CDC said Thursday. About 107,500 people, mostly young children, died — an “unacceptable” death toll from a disease that’s preventable through two doses of the measles vaccine, the health groups said.

More than 22 million children missed their first dose of the measles vaccine in 2023, they said. Even when people survive measles, serious health effects can occur, some of which are lifelong.

“The idea that vaccination would be simply a matter of personal choice will put so many people at risk,” said Richard Besser, president and CEO of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation health nonprofit and a former CDC acting director.

“One of the things that RFK Jr. has been a leader in has been instilling mistrust in public health as a system and the people who do that work,” Besser said. “I worry about the health of people in America and those around the globe who rely on a public health system for their health.”

[KUTradition]

jfc

Meanwhile, a video Trump posted online last year that lays out his vision for the education system has gone viral recently, with particular attention on a specific vow that gives the impression Trump could offer a form of “reparations” — but for white people.

In the video, originally posted last July, Trump proposes “restitution” for people “hurt” by “equity” policies, by which he appears to mean diversity, equity and inclusion policies. In the video, Trump vows to crack down on schools that promote “equity,” saying he’ll potentially sic the Department of Justice on them, fine them the total amount of their endowments and give some of that “seized” money to people he suggests are “victims” of these policies...

[dolomite]

Woman told House Ethics panel she witnessed Gaetz having sex with minor, lawyer says

(ABC)

If he had sex with a seventeen year old, is that really all there was?
I met my first wife when she was only seventeen (that was back in 1968) and I can’t throw any stones. I guess things are just different now?