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Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:35 pm
by jfish26
pdub wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:34 pm
If you feel insulted by this then I think that says you know the problems with your position.
I don't feel insulted. I have no idea what you're even trying to get at with this one.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:41 pm
by jfish26
At the end of the day, to want pure amateurism and also big-time college sports is to either desire or accept the disproportionate exploitativeness of pure amateurism.
To your credit, pdub (and I'm serious), you seem to be ok with losing the big-time college sports aspect of things. That's fine as far as it goes, I guess.
I'm not ok with losing the big-time college sports aspect of things, so I'm good with ditching amateurism as a way to save big-time college sports.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:43 pm
by pdub
"You've been clear on it, sure, but being consistently silly doesn't make you less silly.
The changes will only ruin college sports for those who let them ruin college sports."
Liking what i believe college sports was and can be isn't silly to me. It is to you. Marking it as a definite fact that it is silly is saying how I feel about college sports is a lesser opinion of what you think it should be. You want money dictating everything--thats your deal, it's very much engrained in what you do as a living--i dont value the same thing.
If college sports suddenly went the opposite direction and the federal courts sided with them and money left instead of swamped the sport, I wouldn't say to you, "the changes to college sports will only ruin college sports for those who let it", I'd say, "I get its not your thing, so maybe it's not for you anymore".
You're just a smug person now and to me, it sucks, because I used to value your opinion.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:47 pm
by pdub
jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:41 pm
To your credit, pdub (and I'm serious), you seem to be ok with losing the big-time college sports aspect of things. That's fine as far as it goes, I guess.
I'm not ok with losing the big-time college sports aspect of things, so I'm good with ditching amateurism as a way to save big-time college sports.
So maybe dont lead with, "you're silly, and either you are calling attention to yourself or are fine with exploitation".
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:50 pm
by jfish26
pdub wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:43 pm
"You've been clear on it, sure, but being consistently silly doesn't make you less silly.
The changes will only ruin college sports for those who let them ruin college sports."
Liking what i believe college sports was and can be isn't silly to me. It is to you. Marking it as a definite fact that it is silly is saying how I feel about college sports is a lesser opinion of what you think it should be. You want money dictating everything--thats your deal, it's very much engrained in what you do as a living--i dont value the same thing.
If college sports suddenly went the opposite direction and the federal courts sided with them and money left instead of swamped the sport, I wouldn't say to you, "the changes to college sports will only ruin college sports for those who let it", I'd say, "I get its not your thing, so maybe it's not for you anymore".
You're just a smug person now and to me, it sucks, because I used to value your opinion.
To be clear, what's silly is the idea that you can have pure amateurism in big-time college sports, without exploitation. That simply isn't possible. Either amateurism goes or big-time goes, or you can't
not have the exploitation.
If you don't require college sports to be big-time, then there's nothing silly about your position at all.
I have no problem saying that I would stop following college basketball if the quality of hoop (and hooper) was substantially worse than it is today (with all the follow-on effects of that). That would be me letting the changes ruin college basketball for me, guilty.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:55 pm
by pdub
Then, to borrow from what you did earlier, either 1. you haven't been following my ( and others ) arguments for years 2. are intentionally being an asshole or 3. are dense or incredibly forgetful.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:59 pm
by jfish26
Well, what I first said was silly was the suggestion that a free market would ruin college sports. I do think that is silly, so I stand by that. I also recognize it's subjective, so maybe it's not silly to you.
That said - if money in college sports ruins it for you, I'm not sure what you're doing here. This isn't new.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:13 pm
by pdub
"That said - if money in college sports ruins it for you, I'm not sure what you're doing here. This isn't new."
Reread my previous post then.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:24 pm
by Cascadia
“I’m taking my ball and going home!”
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:18 pm
by Deleted User 863
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... ness-deals
The new rules will allow athletes to profit by monetizing social media accounts, signing autographs, teaching camps or lessons, starting their own businesses, and participating in advertising campaigns, among many other potential ventures. Athletes will be allowed to sign with agents or other representatives to help them acquire endorsement deals.
Some opportunities will be restricted, but the types of restrictions will vary based on state laws and policies created by individual schools. For example, some but not all state laws prohibit athletes from endorsing alcohol, tobacco or gambling products. Some but not all laws prohibit athletes from using their school's logos or other copyright material in endorsements.
Might be the end if kansascrimson.com
Wave the wheat on your way out.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:25 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
I have not read the state laws, but the bans on alcohol, tobacco, and gambling seem vulnerable on first glance.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:40 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:40 pm
by Deleted User 863
We're more likely to get Och AND Jalen back now...so that makes me happy.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:41 pm
by Deleted User 863
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:49 pm
by Deleted User 863
Braun has a similar, but far less professional post as Mitch out there now. Hit the DMs!
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:52 pm
by ousdahl
BREAKING: NCAA hands down 2 year suspension to KU forward Mitch Lightfoot
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:30 pm
by TDub
Blech. Sign with agents. Blech. Ensorsement deals. Blech. A whole lot of blech in there.
Teaching camps or lessons...ok.
Everything else is blech.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:07 am
by Deleted User 863
TDub wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:30 pm
Blech. Sign with agents. Blech. Ensorsement deals. Blech. A whole lot of blech in there.
Teaching camps or lessons...ok.
Everything else is blech.
How do you feel about earning money due to amount of social media followers? Or having a podcast?
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 7:32 am
by TDub
BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:07 am
TDub wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:30 pm
Blech. Sign with agents. Blech. Ensorsement deals. Blech. A whole lot of blech in there.
Teaching camps or lessons...ok.
Everything else is blech.
How do you feel about earning money due to amount of social media followers? Or having a podcast?
Ehh depends on how its regulated/managed. Whatever. Minor league sports here we are.
Re: F the NCAA
Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 7:40 am
by holidaysmore
Mitch hoarding himself out on social media. Gotta love it.
In those same lines who is the first Jayhawk to sign a deal? Dave and Long MacArthur Ford? Och and Set Em up Jacks?
