Kansas Crimson

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:47 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:44 pm

Sparko wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:25 pm Randy prefers to let the Russians invade and win.

Just contorted and silly arguments.

The Russians are invading us? Really? We must be using different Internets.

First, b.s.
Second, what does that have to do with flushing billions down the toilet in Ukraine?

Russia meddled in our presidential election(s). Can’t imagine a more plausible way they could invade us.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:51 pm Russia meddled in our presidential election(s). Can’t imagine a more plausible way they could invade us.

They did no such thing. But, hey, I’d it makes you all feel better, whatever. Still has nada to do with Ukraine.

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russia ... -elections

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... otten-more



https://www.csis.org/blogs/strategic-te ... ted-states

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/us/p ... sment.html

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/ ... ot-1365568

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:56 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:51 pm Russia meddled in our presidential election(s). Can’t imagine a more plausible way they could invade us.

They did no such thing. But, hey, I’d it makes you all feel better, whatever. Still has nada to do with Ukraine.

Your dogmatic adherence to things that are obviously, provably false (which have in fact been proven to be false) takes away from the many sensible and reasonable things you have to say.

many?

lol, hardly

KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:01 pm many?

lol, hardly

I disagree.

Not seeing eye to eye with the libs (which I’m not, but fine to lump me in for this purpose) isn’t a crime. It’s needed. But it needs to be reality-based. In some cases, like this one, it’s not.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:03 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:01 pm many?

lol, hardly

I disagree.

Not seeing eye to eye with the libs (which I’m not, but fine to lump me in for this purpose) isn’t a crime. It’s needed. But it needs to be reality-based. In some cases, like this one, it’s not.

Today In: Comity!

Isn't "reality based" a rather high bar to hold our "conservative" republican friends to?

Sparko wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:25 pm Randy prefers to let the Russians invade and win.

Just contorted and silly arguments.

Did the Russians invade the usa?

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:02 pm

Sparko wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:25 pm Randy prefers to let the Russians invade and win.

Just contorted and silly arguments.

Did the Russians invade the usa?

They put their thumb on the scale of our federal (at least) elections. Does that constitute an act of war? Clearly that isn't a pragmatic conclusion. But it's not not an act of aggression.

Feral wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:40 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:03 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:01 pm many?

lol, hardly

I disagree.

Not seeing eye to eye with the libs (which I’m not, but fine to lump me in for this purpose) isn’t a crime. It’s needed. But it needs to be reality-based. In some cases, like this one, it’s not.

Today In: Comity!

Isn't "reality based" a rather high bar to hold our "conservative" republican friends to?

Higher for some than others. But it's a bar that should be, and remain, held out for the grabbing.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:56 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:51 pm Russia meddled in our presidential election(s). Can’t imagine a more plausible way they could invade us.

They did no such thing. But, hey, I’d it makes you all feel better, whatever. Still has nada to do with Ukraine.

They 100% did and it has been proven out multiple times by legitimate US intelligence agencies and has been reported out to legitimate sources repeatedly.

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:17 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:56 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:51 pm Russia meddled in our presidential election(s). Can’t imagine a more plausible way they could invade us.

They did no such thing. But, hey, I’d it makes you all feel better, whatever. Still has nada to do with Ukraine.

They 100% did and it has been proven out multiple times by legitimate US intelligence agencies and has been reported out to legitimate sources repeatedly.

Proven out with a great deal of restraint, I think it's really important to note. Mueller's "exoneration" of Trump was, of course, anything but exonerating.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:03 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:01 pm many?

lol, hardly

I disagree.

Not seeing eye to eye with the libs (which I’m not, but fine to lump me in for this purpose) isn’t a crime. It’s needed. But it needs to be reality-based. In some cases, like this one, it’s not.

meh

he may have reasonable takes, but i’d argue those that he shares here don’t tend to fall into that category

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:17 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:56 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:51 pm Russia meddled in our presidential election(s). Can’t imagine a more plausible way they could invade us.

They did no such thing. But, hey, I’d it makes you all feel better, whatever. Still has nada to do with Ukraine.

They 100% did and it has been proven out multiple times by legitimate US intelligence agencies and has been reported out to legitimate sources repeatedly.

If it were true, he’d be in prison. Considering the vigor with which you and yours have been pursuing such an outcome, it’s pretty obvious nothing happened.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:46 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:17 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:56 pm

They did no such thing. But, hey, I’d it makes you all feel better, whatever. Still has nada to do with Ukraine.

They 100% did and it has been proven out multiple times by legitimate US intelligence agencies and has been reported out to legitimate sources repeatedly.

If it were true, he’d be in prison. Considering the vigor with which you and yours have been pursuing such an outcome, it’s pretty obvious nothing happened.

I continue to believe that he didn’t collude with Russia. Because collusion requires more equal of a relationship than he has with Putin.

As for why he wasn’t charged…I don’t think it’s the case, based on evidence available then and now, that a failure to charge should be read as an exoneration of his conduct, or Putin’s.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:46 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:17 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:56 pm

They did no such thing. But, hey, I’d it makes you all feel better, whatever. Still has nada to do with Ukraine.

They 100% did and it has been proven out multiple times by legitimate US intelligence agencies and has been reported out to legitimate sources repeatedly.

If it were true, he’d be in prison. Considering the vigor with which you and yours have been pursuing such an outcome, it’s pretty obvious nothing happened.

He, meaning Trump? Don't make the same mistake that many have done which is to assume that Trump had to be involved for it to happen. The Russian meddling in the election didn't need Trump's cooperation, participation or even awareness for it to happen.

We influence Russia’s (among others) political goings-on, so it stands to reason that they(and other countries) do the same. Nothing new.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:06 pm We influence Russia’s (among others) political goings-on, so it stands to reason that they(and other countries) do the same. Nothing new.

If you avoid doing lazy assumptions and look into what they did, I'd say it's not even remotely comparable.

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:08 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:06 pm We influence Russia’s (among others) political goings-on, so it stands to reason that they(and other countries) do the same. Nothing new.

If you avoid doing lazy assumptions and look into what they did, I'd say it's not even remotely comparable.

Well, I’m pretty lazy, and I was happy with the outcome, so . . .