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Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:19 am
by MICHHAWK
oh.

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:42 am
by KUTradition
lol at randi’s response…so predictable

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:11 pm
by jfish26
MICHHAWK wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:19 amoh.
oh what

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:15 pm
by jfish26
KUTradition wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:42 am lol at randi’s response…so predictable
The Randalls of the world simply cannot comprehend that Trump really, truly is a single-issue candidate: himself.

First, last, only, always.

He has no principles beyond (1) staying out of jail, (2) enriching himself, and (3) punishing his enemies.

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:42 pm
by Sparko
Randy railing on the"war machine" along with Ousdahl shows the penetration into the information space of Russian disinformation operations. Left and right co-opted by the same message which, on the one hand concerns the cost of national defense and world engagement, and on the other hand screams about human rights. In the instance of Ukraine, they claim it is too costly and human rights don't matter because bad stuff from 1973. Rinse, repeat. It was the tax cuts on the wealthy that created the fiscal disorder, not spending money on American businesses and infrastructure. And we are at a critical point where we can de-fang Russia once and for all. So of course we must stop.

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:59 pm
by jfish26
Cobbling together a coalition in support of policies, programs and people that are, generally, highly unpopular...can result in strange bedfellows.

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:01 pm
by ousdahl
Sparko wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:42 pm Randy railing on the"war machine" along with Ousdahl shows the penetration into the information space of Russian disinformation operations. Left and right co-opted by the same message which, on the one hand concerns the cost of national defense and world engagement, and on the other hand screams about human rights. In the instance of Ukraine, they claim it is too costly and human rights don't matter because bad stuff from 1973. Rinse, repeat. It was the tax cuts on the wealthy that created the fiscal disorder, not spending money on American businesses and infrastructure. And we are at a critical point where we can de-fang Russia once and for all. So of course we must stop.
For the sake of this thread, let’s set aside the Ukraine issue specifically.

Let’s instead bring up another “war machine” issue that appears far more relevant in this thread, as it is costing Biden far more dearly.

Do we think any narrative that even slightly deviates from “stand with Israel (by handing them another blank check’s worth of weapons),” is also Russian propaganda?

And, just for shits and gigs: randy what’s your take on the Israel/Palestine issue specifically?

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:51 pm
by RainbowsandUnicorns
MICHHAWK wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 9:47 am you are not really holding on to hope that dt will be jailed, are you!.?
No.
if he is guilty of what he is being accused of, I feel he should serve time in prison.
If he's not guilty, I feel he shouldn't serve time in prison.
Regardless of his age, his former job, and if it unifies or divides our country.

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:43 pm
by jfish26
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:51 pm
MICHHAWK wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 9:47 am you are not really holding on to hope that dt will be jailed, are you!.?
No.
if he is guilty of what he is being accused of, I feel he should serve time in prison.
If he's not guilty, I feel he shouldn't serve time in prison.
Regardless of his age, his former job, and if it unifies or divides our country.
In my opinion, whether we're talking about the 14th Amendment or about the various criminal charges pending against Trump, a resolution that stops short of holding him fully accountable for his actions because of fear of what it would mean politically or socially...is highly damaging to the rule of law (and, accordingly, highly favorable to the rise of authoritarian power).

Re: 2024

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 10:00 pm
by Overlander
jfish26 wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:43 pm
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:51 pm
MICHHAWK wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 9:47 am you are not really holding on to hope that dt will be jailed, are you!.?
No.
if he is guilty of what he is being accused of, I feel he should serve time in prison.
If he's not guilty, I feel he shouldn't serve time in prison.
Regardless of his age, his former job, and if it unifies or divides our country.
In my opinion, whether we're talking about the 14th Amendment or about the various criminal charges pending against Trump, a resolution that stops short of holding him fully accountable for his actions because of fear of what it would mean politically or socially...is highly damaging to the rule of law (and, accordingly, highly favorable to the rise of authoritarian power).
100% fact

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2024 7:59 am
by Shirley
Overlander wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 10:00 pm
jfish26 wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:43 pm
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 2:51 pm

No.
if he is guilty of what he is being accused of, I feel he should serve time in prison.
If he's not guilty, I feel he shouldn't serve time in prison.
Regardless of his age, his former job, and if it unifies or divides our country.
In my opinion, whether we're talking about the 14th Amendment or about the various criminal charges pending against Trump, a resolution that stops short of holding him fully accountable for his actions because of fear of what it would mean politically or socially...is highly damaging to the rule of law (and, accordingly, highly favorable to the rise of authoritarian power).
100% fact
^^^

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2024 8:36 am
by zsn
Dementia J Trump confusing Nikki Haley for Nancy Pelosi 😄😄

Man, woman, person………Camembert????

Randy and mich would be here screaming if Uncle Joe had done something even remotely similar. Yet…….the media narrative is……….

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2024 8:41 am
by Shirley
There's no such thing as media bias, zsn:

Image

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2024 9:10 am
by Shirley
I have to admit that I ignore Tim Scott, for the most part. Frankly, it's hard for me to take a Black Evangelical Christian hypocrite like him, seriously. So, other than seeing his endorsement of Trump yesterday as a not very subtle, brownnosing attempt on his part to be named Trump's VP candidate in the future or at least remain relevant, and a stab in the back to former SC Gov Nikki Haley who appointed him to be a senator in the first place, I didn't think about it much. But, Mitchell has a point:

January 20, 2024-It is no surprise that Tim Scott endorsed Donald Trump. It is also apparent that Scott would be a very strong running mate for Trump

Mitchell MInute 1775-Tim Scott Endorses Donald Trump

That being said, Stefanik as Trump's VP would be even worse.

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2024 10:36 am
by jfish26
https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/174 ... q_-8Yt1KMA
Trump could say in a speech that he pledges to end Social Security, pull us out of NATO, and try Biden’s entire Cabinet for treason, and the regular network (not cable news) and local TV morning shows would lead with the latest poll results and never mention it.
Of course this joke is actually pretty much what happens.

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2024 10:40 am
by KUTradition
jfish26 wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2024 10:36 am https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/174 ... q_-8Yt1KMA
Trump could say in a speech that he pledges to end Social Security, pull us out of NATO, and try Biden’s entire Cabinet for treason, and the regular network (not cable news) and local TV morning shows would lead with the latest poll results and never mention it.
Of course this joke is actually pretty much what happens.
there’s a recent Salon piece that i meant to post that basically says the same

it’s the normalization of truly disturbing behavior and comments, and anyone saying they’re just words and bluster hasn’t been paying attention (or is doing so intentionally with some motivations that are very much anti-Democracy)

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2024 10:41 am
by randylahey
Sparko wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:42 pm Randy railing on the"war machine" along with Ousdahl shows the penetration into the information space of Russian disinformation operations. Left and right co-opted by the same message which, on the one hand concerns the cost of national defense and world engagement, and on the other hand screams about human rights. In the instance of Ukraine, they claim it is too costly and human rights don't matter because bad stuff from 1973. Rinse, repeat. It was the tax cuts on the wealthy that created the fiscal disorder, not spending money on American businesses and infrastructure. And we are at a critical point where we can de-fang Russia once and for all. So of course we must stop.
The war machine isn't disinformation

Our country has been constantly involved in foreign conflicts for decades and decades. And a lot of people make huge profits from it. And it keeps us in power. We have military bases all over the world

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2024 11:17 am
by jfish26
KUTradition wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2024 10:40 am
jfish26 wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2024 10:36 am https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/174 ... q_-8Yt1KMA
Trump could say in a speech that he pledges to end Social Security, pull us out of NATO, and try Biden’s entire Cabinet for treason, and the regular network (not cable news) and local TV morning shows would lead with the latest poll results and never mention it.
Of course this joke is actually pretty much what happens.
there’s a recent Salon piece that i meant to post that basically says the same

it’s the normalization of truly disturbing behavior and comments, and anyone saying they’re just words and bluster hasn’t been paying attention (or is doing so intentionally with some motivations that are very much anti-Democracy)
Trump’s literal, says-it-out-loud-over-and-over-again position is that the Constitution puts one person outside the reach of the law.

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:13 pm
by Sparko
Randy: the real war machine is "Libertarians" against the people of the U.S.: Health care, infrastructure, fair wages, taxes--all stomped on every day by rich oligarchs. And it is time we started defining it as such--war against democracy.

Re: 2024

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2024 2:00 pm
by DCHawk1
zsn wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2024 8:36 am Dementia J Trump confusing Nikki Haley for Nancy Pelosi 😄😄

Man, woman, person………Camembert????

Randy and mich would be here screaming if Uncle Joe had done something even remotely similar. Yet…….the media narrative is……….
LOL

Of course Trump is old and confused (among many other things).

But you don't get it both ways.

Either this is a nothingburger or Biden is unfit for office.

Pick one.