Kansas Crimson

shocked that there haven’t been more testing centers prepped

Asymptomatic carriers will make containment nearly impossible.

Feral wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:22 pm This is not good news.

This is worse than not good news. This is completely and entirely fucking insane. Four days. The patient was in the hospital and not on airborne protection for FOUR FUCKING DAYS because the CDC didn't think it was a big deal.

Everyone in that hospital -- and in the hospital he came from -- is now potentially infected. And that includes the doctors and the nurses and...well...EVERYONE.

Ah...but not to worry. Only 2% of them will die.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:44 pm

Feral wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:22 pm This is not good news.

This is worse than not good news. This is completely and entirely fucking insane. Four days. The patient was in the hospital and not on airborne protection for FOUR FUCKING DAYS because the CDC didn't think it was a big deal.

Everyone in that hospital -- and in the hospital he came from -- is now potentially infected. And that includes the doctors and the nurses and...well...EVERYONE.

Ah...but not to worry. Only 2% of them will die.

Kinda terrifying, all of it

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:44 pm

Feral wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:22 pm This is not good news.

This is worse than not good news. This is completely and entirely fucking insane. Four days. The patient was in the hospital and not on airborne protection for FOUR FUCKING DAYS because the CDC didn't think it was a big deal.

Everyone in that hospital -- and in the hospital he came from -- is now potentially infected. And that includes the doctors and the nurses and...well...EVERYONE.

Ah...but not to worry. Only 2% of them will die.

Don't get all worked up, Mike Pence is on it

Feral wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:22 pm This is not good news. If it's true that this person has contracted the coronavirus without any known contact with an infected person, that calls into question the preliminary assumptions that are being made in order to avoid and contain the spread of the infection. Only time will tell.

One thing that should be mentioned is, although it's early, if the reports are accurate, though they're citing an ~ 2% mortality rate, it's likely that the true % of the population that have died from the disease is much smaller, due to the # of people who have only mild coronavirus infections but never bother to get tested, and so aren't added to the "total" number of people infected.



A new coronavirus case in California could be the first in the U.S. that has no known connection to travel abroad or another known case, a possible sign the virus is spreading in a U.S. community, health officials said.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported the case Wednesday.

California officials said the person is a resident of Solano County, northeast of San Francisco, and is getting medical care in Sacramento County. They said they have begun the process of tracking down people who the patient has been in contact with, a process known as contact tracing.

Officials did not immediately release any other details.

All of the 59 other cases in the U.S. had traveled from abroad or had been in close contact with those who traveled. Health officials have been on high alert for so-called community spread.

Perhaps the government should have kept the evacuees from overseas quarantined a bit longer.......

This patient is from a county that had an airforce base that housed the overseas evacuees. Coincidence?

Would be fucking very Kansas of us to have the ncaa tourney get cancelled the year we're gonna win it.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:25 pm shocked that there haven’t been more testing centers prepped

There are reasons for that, the tests are faulty. (I couldn't find the bottom tweet in a form to post without the top tweet.)

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:55 pm Would be fucking very Kansas of us to have the ncaa tourney get cancelled the year we're gonna win it.

A bit worried that LA may be an "epicenter" for the virus. Will be interesting to see what if any precautions are in place in terms of the Tournament.
Dumbfuck me has a trip planned going to LA at the end of March. Not thrilled about flying in a contaminated tin can, walking through contaminated LAX, getting on a contaminated shuttle bus to pick up a rental car, getting in a contaminated rental car, going to a contaminated hotel/hotel room/hotel elevators, going to contaminated restaurants, going to contaminated Staples Center for NCAA hoops, going to contaminated Dodger Stadium, going to contaminated Shrine Auditorium.
Seeing people wearing masks sucks for me. Hard to determine if they are sick and trying to prevent spreading their sickness or if they are well and trying not to get sick.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:55 am
3a. Economic security (even just the illusion of it!) is really the one thing holding together his base.

3b. A downturn in economic security among a significant portion of his base is a massive political vulnerability.

3c. A significant portion of his base is acutely vulnerable to the human (they're often old/in poor health) and financial (they're working poor, who can't ride out an extended time without work) tolls of something like what might be coming.

4. By being not just unwilling to be but incapable of being prepared for this, Trump has exposed a political flank in a way that he really cannot remedy except by telling people not to believe their eyes and ears (and lungs and wallets).

this is tangential now, but I heard a thing on the radio that basically said "it's the economy stupid' just don't apply like it used to.

Trump is paradoxically most popular in the most economically disadvantaged sectors, like manufacturing and many blue collar communities. He's least popular in the sectors that are doing the best, like financial and many other professional communities. The article basically asserted Trump is more so a warrior of culture, and gets folks more worked up about building walls and travel bans and stacking courts to overturn certain rulings, more so than he is any champion of the economy.

but yea, it'll be interesting to see how he spins this, and how his base receives it. It seems damning, but how many of his supporters has he already successfully told for virtually his entire political career to not believe their eyes or ears or wallets? I still hesitate to believe that this might finally be Trump's moment of reckoning.

and what's the whole angle about getting Pence off the ticket? Is there more to that?

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:46 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:55 am
3a. Economic security (even just the illusion of it!) is really the one thing holding together his base.

3b. A downturn in economic security among a significant portion of his base is a massive political vulnerability.

3c. A significant portion of his base is acutely vulnerable to the human (they're often old/in poor health) and financial (they're working poor, who can't ride out an extended time without work) tolls of something like what might be coming.

4. By being not just unwilling to be but incapable of being prepared for this, Trump has exposed a political flank in a way that he really cannot remedy except by telling people not to believe their eyes and ears (and lungs and wallets).

this is tangential now, but I heard a thing on the radio that basically said "it's the economy stupid' just don't apply like it used to.

Trump is paradoxically most popular in the most economically disadvantaged sectors, like manufacturing and many blue collar communities. He's least popular in the sectors that are doing the best, like financial and many other professional communities. The article basically asserted Trump is more so a warrior of culture, and gets folks more worked up about building walls and travel bans and stacking courts to overturn certain rulings, more so than he is any champion of the economy.

but yea, it'll be interesting to see how he spins this, and how his base receives it. It seems damning, but how many of his supporters has he already successfully told for virtually his entire political career to not believe their eyes or ears or wallets? I still hesitate to believe that this might finally be Trump's moment of reckoning.

and what's the whole angle about getting Pence off the ticket? Is there more to that?

1984, anyone?

Trump has been prepping us for this, for years:

July 24, 2018

At a Veterans of Foreign Wars Convention in Kansas City, Mo., on Tuesday, President Trump told veterans and guests that they shouldn't believe what they're reading about his administration or seeing on the news.

This is reassuring:

In a press conference in Washington, the US president said the danger to Americans “remains very low” and predicted that the number of cases diagnosed in the country, currently on 15, could fall to zero in a “few days”.

All schools in Japan told to close until April over virus outbreak

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:46 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:55 am
3a. Economic security (even just the illusion of it!) is really the one thing holding together his base.

3b. A downturn in economic security among a significant portion of his base is a massive political vulnerability.

3c. A significant portion of his base is acutely vulnerable to the human (they're often old/in poor health) and financial (they're working poor, who can't ride out an extended time without work) tolls of something like what might be coming.

4. By being not just unwilling to be but incapable of being prepared for this, Trump has exposed a political flank in a way that he really cannot remedy except by telling people not to believe their eyes and ears (and lungs and wallets).

this is tangential now, but I heard a thing on the radio that basically said "it's the economy stupid' just don't apply like it used to.

Trump is paradoxically most popular in the most economically disadvantaged sectors, like manufacturing and many blue collar communities. He's least popular in the sectors that are doing the best, like financial and many other professional communities. The article basically asserted Trump is more so a warrior of culture, and gets folks more worked up about building walls and travel bans and stacking courts to overturn certain rulings, more so than he is any champion of the economy.

but yea, it'll be interesting to see how he spins this, and how his base receives it. It seems damning, but how many of his supporters has he already successfully told for virtually his entire political career to not believe their eyes or ears or wallets? I still hesitate to believe that this might finally be Trump's moment of reckoning. [1]

and what's the whole angle about getting Pence off the ticket? Is there more to that? [2]

1. I guess that's sort of my point - odds are that everything is fine and that this is a blip is a giant lie that is going to be disproven on the ground, and felt disproportionately on the ground by those disadvantaged sectors. For all the bluster and race-baiting and finger-pointing...if hotels and restaurants close because of a local concern, or if factories and plants cut shifts because of supply chain issues in Asia, or if farmers can't sell their crops because the giant processing facilities are slowed or shuttered, those people are going to be pissed (and in some trouble). It's not especially smart of Trump to set himself up to be called a liar over it.

This portion of Trump's base couldn't give two shits about the stock market. The DJIA is not representative of their economy. Their wages and hours and shifts are their economy. Lose even a modest portion of that part of the base, and Trump is drawing dead, electorally.

2. Where I'm going is that our response to all of this is likely to be a disaster on ice skates, and now Pence is set up as the fall guy.

A boss picks his team.
If his team fails, it's still on him.
Or that's how it normally works -- i wouldn't be surprised if he still manages to pull the wool over his base already covered in so so much wool.

Feral wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:22 pmOne thing that should be mentioned is, although it's early, if the reports are accurate, though they're citing an ~ 2% mortality rate, it's likely that the true % of the population that have died from the disease is much smaller, due to the # of people who have only mild coronavirus infections but never bother to get tested, and so aren't added to the "total" number of people infected.

Less than half a percent if you're not an oldie.

Yeah, this is completely Trump's "get out of jail free card" to ditch Pence as veep. Hand him a live grenade and then blame him when it goes off.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:04 am

Feral wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:22 pmOne thing that should be mentioned is, although it's early, if the reports are accurate, though they're citing an ~ 2% mortality rate, it's likely that the true % of the population that have died from the disease is much smaller, due to the # of people who have only mild coronavirus infections but never bother to get tested, and so aren't added to the "total" number of people infected.

Less than half a percent if you're not an oldie.

Might be significantly less than that, even. For the most part, it sounds like cold or sinus infection symptoms are the norm. Most won't ever even report those.

pdub wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:38 am A boss picks his team.
If his team fails, it's still on him.
Or that's how it normally works -- i wouldn't be surprised if he still manages to pull the wool over his base already covered in so so much wool.

With reference to who we're talking about...isn't it pretty to think so?

HenrySwanson wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:06 am Yeah, this is completely Trump's "get out of jail free card" to ditch Pence as veep. Hand him a live grenade and then blame him when it goes off.

Right or wrong, I wouldn't mind a different VP is trump is getting 4 more years.