Kansas Crimson

seahawk wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:47 pm As usual, when his Republican masters have become so horrible that even he can't normalize them, DC retreats to some academic construct and throws in some historical references that make them seem less heinous than they are. The Emancipation Proclamation is mentioned, but not the immense amount of lawbreaking that it took to get there or the threats that prompted that violence. Slavery in the U.S. had become less profitable until Cotton became King and the huge plantations of the old Southwest developed a form of chattel slavery so heinous that people risked their lives to escape to the North. And all kinds of folks in the North aided in the lawbreaking that harboring those former slaves involved. The E.P. simply recognized the lawbreaking of the 180,000 slaves that walked away from the plantations and joined the Union Army at a time when it was desperate for manpower.

After the lynchings that happened in the 1910-30s, the 1940s gave men and women of color access to decent jobs and to service in the military, but not equality. As those citizens didn't benefit from their service and become able to rise into the middle class in the same way as whites, the Civil Rights Era came about and with it, all kinds of lawbreaking of the many laws of segregation and levels of violence not seen in a generation. As they had during the Civil War, American leadership changed the laws to prevent society from being torn apart.

The COVID-19 virus has occasioned another situation where a certain segment of society has nothing left to lose, because their very existence is threatened, this time by Donald Trump and his Republican supporters, who are willing to let the virus rage through communities of color with no concern about their death tolls. I've had 2 friends trying to get COVID testing in what's supposed to be a state where that is easy to do because Trump supports the state--but it's very difficult, or very expensive. Lower income families can't afford that and can't quarantine their elderly relatives or underlying condition family members and we see the numbers in which they're dying. Because Donald Trump has chosen not to take whatever steps are needed to implement major testing capacity at all levels. And chosen to insist that these people go back into the workplace to work in unsafe conditions and high risk situations. Trump has demonstrated his racism over and over and he insists even that his CDC change its instructions for safety in the workplace. This isn't about social contract or aspirations, it's about one man's evil intent and those who surround him that share in that evil.

And all the quasi religious, quasi philosophical rationalizations won't excuse Trump's leadership or complete lack of, in this crisis--which underlies the riots across the country--just as they didn't excuse slavery or Jim Crow laws.

We're a nation born in violence, where national change often happens only during violent confrontation--we may always think we've escaped that heritage, but then a Donald Trump comes along to remind us the we haven't.

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:54 pm

Grandma wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:52 pm

Feral wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:27 pm I thought I heard somewhere that Tom Cotton was smart?

So now Trump wants to mobilize our Army against US citizens. Awesome.

seahawk wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:47 pm As usual, when his Republican masters have become so horrible that even he can't normalize them, DC retreats to some academic construct and throws in some historical references that make them seem less heinous than they are. The Emancipation Proclamation is mentioned, but not the immense amount of lawbreaking that it took to get there or the threats that prompted that violence. Slavery in the U.S. had become less profitable until Cotton became King and the huge plantations of the old Southwest developed a form of chattel slavery so heinous that people risked their lives to escape to the North. And all kinds of folks in the North aided in the lawbreaking that harboring those former slaves involved. The E.P. simply recognized the lawbreaking of the 180,000 slaves that walked away from the plantations and joined the Union Army at a time when it was desperate for manpower.

After the lynchings that happened in the 1910-30s, the 1940s gave men and women of color access to decent jobs and to service in the military, but not equality. As those citizens didn't benefit from their service and become able to rise into the middle class in the same way as whites, the Civil Rights Era came about and with it, all kinds of lawbreaking of the many laws of segregation and levels of violence not seen in a generation. As they had during the Civil War, American leadership changed the laws to prevent society from being torn apart.

The COVID-19 virus has occasioned another situation where a certain segment of society has nothing left to lose, because their very existence is threatened, this time by Donald Trump and his Republican supporters, who are willing to let the virus rage through communities of color with no concern about their death tolls. I've had 2 friends trying to get COVID testing in what's supposed to be a state where that is easy to do because Trump supports the state--but it's very difficult, or very expensive. Lower income families can't afford that and can't quarantine their elderly relatives or underlying condition family members and we see the numbers in which they're dying. Because Donald Trump has chosen not to take whatever steps are needed to implement major testing capacity at all levels. And chosen to insist that these people go back into the workplace to work in unsafe conditions and high risk situations. Trump has demonstrated his racism over and over and he insists even that his CDC change its instructions for safety in the workplace. This isn't about social contract or aspirations, it's about one man's evil intent and those who surround him that share in that evil.

And all the quasi religious, quasi philosophical rationalizations won't excuse Trump's leadership or complete lack of, in this crisis--which underlies the riots across the country--just as they didn't excuse slavery or Jim Crow laws.

We're a nation born in violence, where national change often happens only during violent confrontation--we may always think we've escaped that heritage, but then a Donald Trump comes along to remind us the we haven't.

sdoyel wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:59 pm

seahawk wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:47 pm As usual, when his Republican masters have become so horrible that even he can't normalize them, DC retreats to some academic construct and throws in some historical references that make them seem less heinous than they are. The Emancipation Proclamation is mentioned, but not the immense amount of lawbreaking that it took to get there or the threats that prompted that violence. Slavery in the U.S. had become less profitable until Cotton became King and the huge plantations of the old Southwest developed a form of chattel slavery so heinous that people risked their lives to escape to the North. And all kinds of folks in the North aided in the lawbreaking that harboring those former slaves involved. The E.P. simply recognized the lawbreaking of the 180,000 slaves that walked away from the plantations and joined the Union Army at a time when it was desperate for manpower.

After the lynchings that happened in the 1910-30s, the 1940s gave men and women of color access to decent jobs and to service in the military, but not equality. As those citizens didn't benefit from their service and become able to rise into the middle class in the same way as whites, the Civil Rights Era came about and with it, all kinds of lawbreaking of the many laws of segregation and levels of violence not seen in a generation. As they had during the Civil War, American leadership changed the laws to prevent society from being torn apart.

The COVID-19 virus has occasioned another situation where a certain segment of society has nothing left to lose, because their very existence is threatened, this time by Donald Trump and his Republican supporters, who are willing to let the virus rage through communities of color with no concern about their death tolls. I've had 2 friends trying to get COVID testing in what's supposed to be a state where that is easy to do because Trump supports the state--but it's very difficult, or very expensive. Lower income families can't afford that and can't quarantine their elderly relatives or underlying condition family members and we see the numbers in which they're dying. Because Donald Trump has chosen not to take whatever steps are needed to implement major testing capacity at all levels. And chosen to insist that these people go back into the workplace to work in unsafe conditions and high risk situations. Trump has demonstrated his racism over and over and he insists even that his CDC change its instructions for safety in the workplace. This isn't about social contract or aspirations, it's about one man's evil intent and those who surround him that share in that evil.

And all the quasi religious, quasi philosophical rationalizations won't excuse Trump's leadership or complete lack of, in this crisis--which underlies the riots across the country--just as they didn't excuse slavery or Jim Crow laws.

We're a nation born in violence, where national change often happens only during violent confrontation--we may always think we've escaped that heritage, but then a Donald Trump comes along to remind us the we haven't.

Very well said.

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:54 pm
So now Trump wants to mobilize our Army against US citizens. Awesome.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:28 pm I don't know if that's the case or not.

I know the law says that it must be the case that state or local officials are not able to control the situation, but I don't know if that means that they have to request help, or of Congress needs to be involved, or what?

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:01 pm

sdoyel wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:59 pm

seahawk wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:47 pm As usual, when his Republican masters have become so horrible that even he can't normalize them, DC retreats to some academic construct and throws in some historical references that make them seem less heinous than they are. The Emancipation Proclamation is mentioned, but not the immense amount of lawbreaking that it took to get there or the threats that prompted that violence. Slavery in the U.S. had become less profitable until Cotton became King and the huge plantations of the old Southwest developed a form of chattel slavery so heinous that people risked their lives to escape to the North. And all kinds of folks in the North aided in the lawbreaking that harboring those former slaves involved. The E.P. simply recognized the lawbreaking of the 180,000 slaves that walked away from the plantations and joined the Union Army at a time when it was desperate for manpower.

After the lynchings that happened in the 1910-30s, the 1940s gave men and women of color access to decent jobs and to service in the military, but not equality. As those citizens didn't benefit from their service and become able to rise into the middle class in the same way as whites, the Civil Rights Era came about and with it, all kinds of lawbreaking of the many laws of segregation and levels of violence not seen in a generation. As they had during the Civil War, American leadership changed the laws to prevent society from being torn apart.

The COVID-19 virus has occasioned another situation where a certain segment of society has nothing left to lose, because their very existence is threatened, this time by Donald Trump and his Republican supporters, who are willing to let the virus rage through communities of color with no concern about their death tolls. I've had 2 friends trying to get COVID testing in what's supposed to be a state where that is easy to do because Trump supports the state--but it's very difficult, or very expensive. Lower income families can't afford that and can't quarantine their elderly relatives or underlying condition family members and we see the numbers in which they're dying. Because Donald Trump has chosen not to take whatever steps are needed to implement major testing capacity at all levels. And chosen to insist that these people go back into the workplace to work in unsafe conditions and high risk situations. Trump has demonstrated his racism over and over and he insists even that his CDC change its instructions for safety in the workplace. This isn't about social contract or aspirations, it's about one man's evil intent and those who surround him that share in that evil.

And all the quasi religious, quasi philosophical rationalizations won't excuse Trump's leadership or complete lack of, in this crisis--which underlies the riots across the country--just as they didn't excuse slavery or Jim Crow laws.

We're a nation born in violence, where national change often happens only during violent confrontation--we may always think we've escaped that heritage, but then a Donald Trump comes along to remind us the we haven't.

Very well said.

lulz

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:19 pm

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:01 pm

sdoyel wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:59 pm

Very well said.

lulz

Everything is racism. All the time. Except when it is also misogyny. But racism.

LulzDC wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:30 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:19 pm

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:01 pm

lulz

Everything is racism. All the time. Except when it is also misogyny. But racism.

Lulz

NiceDC wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:31 pm

LulzDC wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:30 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:19 pm

Everything is racism. All the time. Except when it is also misogyny. But racism.

Lulz

Not Nice.

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:19 pm

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:01 pm

sdoyel wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:59 pm

Very well said.

lulz

Everything is racism. All the time. Except when it is also misogyny. But racism.