Kansas Crimson

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:00 pm Can’t do my own research right now but the socials says a governor refusing to cooperate with extradition is a no-no.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 8:42 pm

japhy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:15 pm

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:22 am

You're not paying attention.

I'm paying attention, we just have different points of reference for what a shit show looks like. I was seven years old and standing on the corner of 55th and Lawndale when a real fuckin shit show went down. My grandfather was one of the guys in leather jackets and blue riot helmets with a shotgun in his hand hiding behind a car looking up at windows for snipers. I could see the smoke from the fires from my grandmother's apartment. It looked at times like the whole city of Chicago was on fire from where we were.

And that too passed.

http://graphics.chicagotribune.com/riot ... -1968-mlk/

The difference is the people starting the fires in Chicago just had their leader murdered. They had no hope and they had nothing to lose. Your never want to get in a fight with someone who has nothing to lose, burning it all to the ground while getting shot is the best they can hope for.

The realtor who chartered a private jet to fly to DC for Jan 6 realized she had something to lose after the feds came for her. And her "leader" was heading off to Mara-Lago to ask the rubes for money to pay for his "revenge". I just don't see Richard Spencer and Enrique Tarrio grabbing guns and running through streets knowing that in prison they won't have access to personal stylists or proper grooming products. And I'm not envisioning another hard hat riot heading to the DA's office in NY.

But we will see.

The current president will spend his last days visiting his remaining son in prison. The next president will be charged with a felony. Senators, Congresshumans, governors (not from Illinois) will go to prison. And none of it will be based on anything real (except Hunter). It'll be tit-for-tat partisan political abuse of prosecutorial power. You fucked our guy; we'll fuck yours.

japhy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:47 pm

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 8:42 pm

japhy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:15 pm

I'm paying attention, we just have different points of reference for what a shit show looks like. I was seven years old and standing on the corner of 55th and Lawndale when a real fuckin shit show went down. My grandfather was one of the guys in leather jackets and blue riot helmets with a shotgun in his hand hiding behind a car looking up at windows for snipers. I could see the smoke from the fires from my grandmother's apartment. It looked at times like the whole city of Chicago was on fire from where we were.

And that too passed.

http://graphics.chicagotribune.com/riot ... -1968-mlk/

The difference is the people starting the fires in Chicago just had their leader murdered. They had no hope and they had nothing to lose. Your never want to get in a fight with someone who has nothing to lose, burning it all to the ground while getting shot is the best they can hope for.

The realtor who chartered a private jet to fly to DC for Jan 6 realized she had something to lose after the feds came for her. And her "leader" was heading off to Mara-Lago to ask the rubes for money to pay for his "revenge". I just don't see Richard Spencer and Enrique Tarrio grabbing guns and running through streets knowing that in prison they won't have access to personal stylists or proper grooming products. And I'm not envisioning another hard hat riot heading to the DA's office in NY.

But we will see.

The current president will spend his last days visiting his remaining son in prison. The next president will be charged with a felony. Senators, Congresshumans, governors (not from Illinois) will go to prison. And none of it will be based on anything real (except Hunter). It'll be tit-for-tat partisan political abuse of prosecutorial power. You fucked our guy; we'll fuck yours.

Sorry, but trying to understand the pretzel logic here.

So your thinking is.... do not prosecute politicians for crimes because tit for tat will be hell? And somehow politicians knowing that they will not be prosecuted for their crimes, even if it rises to trying to overthrow our legitimate elected government will be better? Your thinking is that a trumped up felony charge is somehow equal to a Trumped out treason ( we all know what is coming after the Stormy Daniels indictment) cuz a crime is a crime is a crime?

So it will be no guardrails and anything goes....or everyone is on trial all the time?

It seems to me that DT previewed this routine already with his attempts to get a court to overturn the election. If there is nothing there, summary judgements solve that issue. And if more attorneys get sanctioned that would seem like a good deterrent.

Your dystopian future sounds more like a DT wet dream than reality. Unless of course the Republicans continue to allow Jim Jordan to play Inspector Clouseau for eternity.

I think we should go ahead and act like we have laws in this country and they apply to EVERYONE.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:20 pm

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:56 pm I was hoping for something a little more juicy than tax invasion.

I think the term you’re looking for is “witch hunt”

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:37 pm

japhy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:47 pm

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 8:42 pm

The current president will spend his last days visiting his remaining son in prison. The next president will be charged with a felony. Senators, Congresshumans, governors (not from Illinois) will go to prison. And none of it will be based on anything real (except Hunter). It'll be tit-for-tat partisan political abuse of prosecutorial power. You fucked our guy; we'll fuck yours.

Sorry, but trying to understand the pretzel logic here.

So your thinking is.... do not prosecute politicians for crimes because tit for tat will be hell? And somehow politicians knowing that they will not be prosecuted for their crimes, even if it rises to trying to overthrow our legitimate elected government will be better? Your thinking is that a trumped up felony charge is somehow equal to a Trumped out treason ( we all know what is coming after the Stormy Daniels indictment) cuz a crime is a crime is a crime?

So it will be no guardrails and anything goes....or everyone is on trial all the time?

It seems to me that DT previewed this routine already with his attempts to get a court to overturn the election. If there is nothing there, summary judgements solve that issue. And if more attorneys get sanctioned that would seem like a good deterrent.

Your dystopian future sounds more like a DT wet dream than reality. Unless of course the Republicans continue to allow Jim Jordan to play Inspector Clouseau for eternity.

I think we should go ahead and act like we have laws in this country and they apply to EVERYONE.

Nah. If there's serious wrongdoing, then prosecute. indeed, the other cases against Trum are serious.

This one -- which the Feds already DECLINED to prosecute -- is NOT serious. It's pure political catharsis -- as this board shows.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:37 pm

japhy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:47 pm

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 8:42 pm

Nah. If there's serious wrongdoing, then prosecute. indeed, the other cases against Trum are serious.

This one -- which the Feds already DECLINED to prosecute -- is NOT serious. It's pure political catharsis -- as this board shows.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:16 pm LOL.

Ham sammiches.

Enjoy it. They'll enjoy theirs too.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:26 am

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:37 pm

japhy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:47 pm

Sorry, but trying to understand the pretzel logic here.

So your thinking is.... do not prosecute politicians for crimes because tit for tat will be hell? And somehow politicians knowing that they will not be prosecuted for their crimes, even if it rises to trying to overthrow our legitimate elected government will be better? Your thinking is that a trumped up felony charge is somehow equal to a Trumped out treason ( we all know what is coming after the Stormy Daniels indictment) cuz a crime is a crime is a crime?

So it will be no guardrails and anything goes....or everyone is on trial all the time?

It seems to me that DT previewed this routine already with his attempts to get a court to overturn the election. If there is nothing there, summary judgements solve that issue. And if more attorneys get sanctioned that would seem like a good deterrent.

Your dystopian future sounds more like a DT wet dream than reality. Unless of course the Republicans continue to allow Jim Jordan to play Inspector Clouseau for eternity.

I think we should go ahead and act like we have laws in this country and they apply to EVERYONE.

Nah. If there's serious wrongdoing, then prosecute. indeed, the other cases against Trum are serious.

This one -- which the Feds already DECLINED to prosecute -- is NOT serious. It's pure political catharsis -- as this board shows.

Do I feel like this is going to kick start something of a cycle? Probably. Great conversation for a different day - I think there are possible positives to politics being less attractive of a thing for someone to want to do.

But I want to focus on the notion that these charges, or their subject matter, aren’t serious. I think this perspective is absolutely influenced by JUST HOW MUCH CRIMING AND OTHER MALFEASANCE TRUMP DID.

These charges are small potatoes because Trump and his coterie basically ran a traveling state and county fair world record potato show for the better part of a decade.

But - what we’re talking about was payments made on the eve of a presidential election, made to keep information quiet that might have swung that election.

That’s extremely serious. And it’s not made any LESS serious by just how much WORSE stuff was done before, during and since.

defixione wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:37 pm Did either of the DOJ or FEC give their definitive reason for not pursuing the case?

KUTradition wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:40 pm
also not made less serious just because a DOJ chose not to pursue charges

jfish26 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:26 am
Do I feel like this is going to kick start something of a cycle? Probably. Great conversation for a different day - I think there are possible positives to politics being less attractive of a thing for someone to want to do.

But I want to focus on the notion that these charges, or their subject matter, aren’t serious. I think this perspective is absolutely influenced by JUST HOW MUCH CRIMING AND OTHER MALFEASANCE TRUMP DID.

These charges are small potatoes because Trump and his coterie basically ran a traveling state and county fair world record potato show for the better part of a decade.

But - what we’re talking about was payments made on the eve of a presidential election, made to keep information quiet that might have swung that election.

That’s extremely serious. And it’s not made any LESS serious by just how much WORSE stuff was done before, during and since.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 11:07 am And we should all go re-read the magna Carta if we think politicians should not be charged for unsexy crimes.