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MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:02 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:54 am The Russia propaganda machine is cranking a ton of anti-Ukrainian material through all forms of social media.

being an adult i can easily sort through the bull$#!t. it's one of the perks of being a cagey veteran. and not a puke that grew up thinking everything i see on the social medias is the last word.

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:22 am

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:39 pm They said in no uncertain terms they condemn Nazism and bigotry. People just want to believe whatever they want to believe. https://usun.usmission.gov/explanation- ... of-nazism/

Of course the official statement condemns nazism. but at the very least, the fact it's only the US and Ukraine voting against the Russians looks coincidental now. And so many other (mostly white) countries abstaining. And the otherwise vast majority of other countries (mostly of color) having no problem just voting in favor of combating nazism, even if it's the Russians advancing it.

that link mentions "thinly veiled attempts to legitimize Russian disinformation campaigns denigrating neighboring nations and promoting the distorted Soviet narrative of much of contemporary European history." What, exactly, are they talking about?

then it goes on to defend free speech. Oh good! Except that it's all over the place about what free speech is OK (nazi free speech) and what is not (some vague "distorted Soviet narrative"). At the very least, I'm left with more questions than answers.

I should mention, that last post was kind of misleading. It's not Q in the sense of the alt-lobster Q meme, but Q in that it only seems like the pussy leftists are pointing out any nazi angle to it. At the very least, I'm curious. And perhaps concerned. We've seen the western world downplay the threat of white supremacy before. Does it not concern you too?

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:05 pm So as far as I can tell, NATO was formed as an alliance against Soviet expansion. Once the Soviet Union disbanded, it may have then been obsolete. But instead, it apparently continued to expand across Eastern Europe anyway.

What’s up with that?

And, for the first time ever, apparently the NATO “Response force” was activated. Not directly for Ukraine, since they’re not NATO, but for all the countries around there or something?

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:58 pm Twitter doesn’t count. Didn’t the bored’s self-appointed foreign policy experts tell you?

And since you didn’t answer the first time but quoted it anyway, I’ll ask again:

that link mentions "thinly veiled attempts to legitimize Russian disinformation campaigns denigrating neighboring nations and promoting the distorted Soviet narrative of much of contemporary European history." What, exactly, are they talking about?

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:05 pm So as far as I can tell, NATO was formed as an alliance against Soviet expansion. Once the Soviet Union disbanded, it may have then been obsolete. But instead, it apparently continued to expand across Eastern Europe anyway.

What’s up with that?

And, for the first time ever, apparently the NATO “Response force” was activated. Not directly for Ukraine, since they’re not NATO, but for all the countries around there or something?

It is often said that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization was founded in response to the threat posed by the Soviet Union. This is only partially true. In fact, the Alliance’s creation was part of a broader effort to serve three purposes: deterring Soviet expansionism, forbidding the revival of nationalist militarism in Europe through a strong North American presence on the continent, and encouraging European political integration.

Russian leaders have long been wary of the eastward expansion of NATO, particularly as the alliance opened its doors to former Warsaw Pact states and ex-Soviet republics in the late 1990s (the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland) and early 2000s (Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia). Their fears grew in the late 2000s as the alliance stated its intent to admit Georgia and Ukraine at an unspecified point in the future.

For the Kremlin, the notion that Ukraine, a pillar of the Soviet Union with strong historic ties to Russia, would join NATO was a red line...

Russian officials say that the U.S. government made a pledge to Soviet leaders not to expand the alliance's eastern borders, a commitment they say came during the flurry of diplomacy following the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 and surrounding the reunification of Germany in 1990. Proponents of this narrative often cite the words that U.S. Secretary of State James A. Baker said to Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev in February 1990, that "there would be no extension of NATO's jurisdiction for forces of NATO one inch to the east." They say the United States and NATO have repeatedly betrayed this verbal commitment in the decades since, taking advantage of Russia's tumultuous post-Soviet period and expanding the Western alliance several times, all the way to Russia's doorstep in the case of the Baltic states...

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:31 pm Q is going full randy.

"I can post all the pro-russia stuff I want as long as I say I'm not Pro-Russia"

Never go full randy.

Mjl wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:22 pm

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:58 pm Twitter doesn’t count. Didn’t the bored’s self-appointed foreign policy experts tell you?

And since you didn’t answer the first time but quoted it anyway, I’ll ask again:

that link mentions "thinly veiled attempts to legitimize Russian disinformation campaigns denigrating neighboring nations and promoting the distorted Soviet narrative of much of contemporary European history." What, exactly, are they talking about?

Russian propaganda. You know, like the stuff you keep posting here

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:40 pm What’s this angle with allegations the Ukrainian gummint has been bombing its own civilians in the Donbass region?

Or refusing to adhere to the Minsk agreements? Which were apparently a plan to end the aggression in that Dumbass region or whatever

And since it really needs to be said, I don’t support Ukraine bombing its own people either.

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:37 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:31 pm Q is going full randy.

"I can post all the pro-russia stuff I want as long as I say I'm not Pro-Russia"

Never go full randy.

Dude.

I’ve repeatedly condemned Russia.

I’m just seeking context for a batshit crazy situation.

It’s everyone else who is comfortable with taking a complex situation and reducing if all to some simple black and white “Russia bad” who is going full Q.

Read a goddamn history book!

Qusdahl wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:58 pm Twitter doesn’t count. Didn’t the bored’s self-appointed foreign policy experts tell you?

And since you didn’t answer the first time but quoted it anyway, I’ll ask again:

that link mentions "thinly veiled attempts to legitimize Russian disinformation campaigns denigrating neighboring nations and promoting the distorted Soviet narrative of much of contemporary European history." What, exactly, are they talking about?