Kansas Crimson

it seems silly that our options are 2 guys that realistically we don't expect to be able to finish out a 4 year term.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:20 am
I don’t find the actuarial analysis compelling in this particular sample.

You're probably half right.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:25 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:20 am
I don’t find the actuarial analysis compelling in this particular sample.

You're probably half right.

I mean, outwardly I'd certainly bet on the older one living longer than the younger one.

But the reality is we're talking about people who, both of them, will have access to every conceivable advantage.

There's a reason it was so clever for the Florida board of whatever to tie the expiration of anti-DeSantis provisions to the life of the longest-surviving living heir to the British throne.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:53 am

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:47 am I respectfully disagree with you two (Fish and twocoach).
I think a VP choice MAY/MIGHT have a significant bearing. I could very well be wrong.

Ok, play the game then. What realistic candidates are out there that you think would move the needle upward?

Downward is a bearing too.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:42 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:53 am

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:47 am I respectfully disagree with you two (Fish and twocoach).
I think a VP choice MAY/MIGHT have a significant bearing. I could very well be wrong.

Ok, play the game then. What realistic candidates are out there that you think would move the needle upward?

Downward is a bearing too.

Trump is out there telling you and everyone else that he thinks the President is a king. I'm not sure there's a VP candidate out there that would hurt.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:47 am I respectfully disagree with you two (Fish and twocoach).
I think a VP choice MAY/MIGHT have a significant bearing. I could very well be wrong.

I would argue that it was the VP choice that was the most important factor in 2008

DC calling Biden an asshole is high praise.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:25 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:20 am
I don’t find the actuarial analysis compelling in this particular sample.

You're probably half right.

I don't know what "actuarial analysis" you're using DC, but according to this website, which says it uses Social Security data, at 81 y/o, Biden is expected to live another 7 years.

(And judging by appearances, Biden's physical health appears to be above average for his age. He still rides a bike, and only quit jogging after he broke his foot not too long ago. How many people close to 80 are still able to jog? In my experience, very, very few.)

Well yeah, that's how he should be, but he's not. The guy is barely conscious. Makes you wonder who is really doing his job.

Sparko wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:20 pm DC calling Biden an asshole is high praise.

You've obviously never seen Joe Biden.

Shirley wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 3:04 pm

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:25 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:20 am
I don’t find the actuarial analysis compelling in this particular sample.

You're probably half right.

I don't know what "actuarial analysis" you're using DC, but according to this website, which says it uses Social Security data, at 81 y/o, Biden is expected to live another 7 years.

(And judging by appearances, Biden's physical health appears to be above average for his age. He still rides a bike, and only quit jogging after he broke his foot not too long ago. How many people close to 80 are still able to jog? In my experience, very, very few.)

That's interesting. I was guessing -- based on (clearly bad and vague) recollections.

I think you could make the case that Biden is/was more physically fit than most men his age, but even on that front, I think there's clear deterioration over the last year or so.

Also, when I said Fish was half-right I meant that he was right about Biden. Fatty McCheeseburger is (probably) NOT gonna live to be 85.

Just flipped on the teevee and the evening news said Biden wants to make women’s reproductive rights “front and center” for his reelection campaign

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:06 pm Just flipped on the teevee and the evening news said Biden wants to make women’s reproductive rights “front and center” for his reelection campaign

Smart.

Why not? Republican efforts to make American women second-class citizens is very unpopular. Everywhere it's been on the ballot, i.e., up to the people and not the White, male, Christo-Fascists in the heavily gerrymandered state legislatures, it has won. Even in traditionally red states like Ohio, Kansas, Kentucky, and Montana. A party that's not encumbered by the obsession to impose its religious zealotry on the population, but instead, grounded in facts and reality, might discern a pattern there...

Demos hope to use women's rights as the basis for making the broader argument that the election is a choice between "freedom" and "democracy", or Trump and Republicans. Because







it is.

I can dig it!

I'm curious about what the messaging will be this time around, and am curious what substantive action might come as part of it - some pro-women's-reproductive-rights EO or other law or other initiative or other...anything - or if it's gonna mostly be just more campaign messaging.

my concern is, I remember a fairly identical messaging outta the last campaign, with the single biggest difference being some specific refrain about what would happen to Roe if we DIDN'T vote for Biden.

Cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:03 pm Well yeah, that's how he should be, but he's not. The guy is barely conscious. Makes you wonder who is really doing his job.

As I said earlier. The only reason Biden’s opponents would be saying evidence-less stuff like this is if they know his record is actually strong.

https://x.com/bidenhq/status/1749638608 ... q_-8Yt1KMA

Trump: Which is incapable of solvin’ even the sollest problem. We are an institute in a powerful death penalty. We will put this on

I have a difficult time comprehending why we have perfect examples of "both sides do it" but people can only see one side. Or at least choose to only find fault with one side.
Bottom line is, as I have said repeatedly, BOTH men are suffering from noticeable cognitive (and physical) decline. It should be a concern for EVERYONE.

Respectfully, and of course this opinion is subjective, I do not find the Biden examples to be on this same level.

It is also highly relevant, to me, that when you zoom out from clips, on one side there is an old person doing an incredibly stressful job with at least a basic level of competence, and on the other side there is an old person with no job throwing hissy fits in court rooms demanding to be installed as a king above the law. In other words, to me, all available evidence of reasoning, recall and judgment should be considered.

As I have said for what must be years now, the point (and it is an obvious one to me anyway) is that Trump and MAGA attacks on Biden and his cognitive fitness are something even worse than the pot calling the kettle black; it has always been preemptive laundering of Trump’s much more significant decline.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:29 am I have a difficult time comprehending why we have perfect examples of "both sides do it" but people can only see one side. Or at least choose to only find fault with one side.
Bottom line is, as I have said repeatedly, BOTH men are suffering from noticeable cognitive (and physical) decline. It should be a concern for EVERYONE.

And one of them was crazy before cognitive and physical decline.

I'll let you guess which one.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:50 am As I have said for what must be years now, the point (and it is an obvious one to me anyway) is that Trump and MAGA attacks on Biden and his cognitive fitness are something even worse than the pot calling the kettle black; it has always been preemptive laundering of Trump’s much more significant decline.

Man, I have to respectfully disagree with that. Biden sure looks and sounds much worse off than Trump does (to me).

But Biden isn't a wannabe dictator. So there's that.