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263 confirmed cases in joco. Avg. age 55

It would be good to know the answer to these questions before we start trying to resume life as normal:

APRIL 10, 2020 / 7:25 AM / UPDATED 3 HOURS AGO South Korea reports recovered coronavirus patients testing positive again

South Korean officials on Friday reported 91 patients thought cleared of the new coronavirus had tested positive again.

Jeong Eun-kyeong, director of the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC), told a briefing that the virus may have been “reactivated” rather than the patients being re-infected.

South Korean health officials said it remains unclear what is behind the trend, with epidemiological investigations still under way.

The prospect of people being re-infected with the virus is of international concern, as many countries are hoping that infected populations will develop sufficient immunity to prevent a resurgence of the pandemic.

The South Korean figure had risen from 51 such cases on Monday.

Nearly 7,000 South Koreans have been reported as recovered from COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus.

“The number will only increase, 91 is just the beginning now,” said Kim Woo-joo, professor of infectious diseases at Korea University Guro Hospital.

The KCDC’s Jeong raised the possibility that rather than patients being re-infected, the virus may have been “reactivated”.

Kim also said patients had likely “relapsed” rather than been re-infected.

False test results could also be at fault, other experts said, or remnants of the virus could still be in patients’ systems but not be infectious or of danger to the host or others.

“There are different interpretations and many variables,” said Jung Ki-suck, professor of pulmonary medicine at Hallym University Sacred Heart Hospital.

“The government needs to come up with responses for each of these variables”.

South Korea on Friday reported 27 new cases, its lowest after daily cases peaked at more than 900 in late February, according to KCDC, adding the total stood at 10,450 cases.

The death toll rose by seven to 211, it said.

The city of Daegu, which endured the first large coronavirus outbreak outside of China, reported zero new cases for the first time since late February.

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Feral wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:15 pm It would be good to know the answer to these questions before we start trying to resume life as normal:

Not to go all psych, but we might not know the answer to those mysteries for a long time. If they are explainable.

Feral wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:15 pm It would be good to know the answer to these questions before we start trying to resume life as normal:

APRIL 10, 2020 / 7:25 AM / UPDATED 3 HOURS AGO South Korea reports recovered coronavirus patients testing positive again

South Korean officials on Friday reported 91 patients thought cleared of the new coronavirus had tested positive again.

Jeong Eun-kyeong, director of the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC), told a briefing that the virus may have been “reactivated” rather than the patients being re-infected.

South Korean health officials said it remains unclear what is behind the trend, with epidemiological investigations still under way.

The prospect of people being re-infected with the virus is of international concern, as many countries are hoping that infected populations will develop sufficient immunity to prevent a resurgence of the pandemic.

The South Korean figure had risen from 51 such cases on Monday.

Nearly 7,000 South Koreans have been reported as recovered from COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus.

“The number will only increase, 91 is just the beginning now,” said Kim Woo-joo, professor of infectious diseases at Korea University Guro Hospital.

The KCDC’s Jeong raised the possibility that rather than patients being re-infected, the virus may have been “reactivated”.

Kim also said patients had likely “relapsed” rather than been re-infected.

False test results could also be at fault, other experts said, or remnants of the virus could still be in patients’ systems but not be infectious or of danger to the host or others.

“There are different interpretations and many variables,” said Jung Ki-suck, professor of pulmonary medicine at Hallym University Sacred Heart Hospital.

“The government needs to come up with responses for each of these variables”.

South Korea on Friday reported 27 new cases, its lowest after daily cases peaked at more than 900 in late February, according to KCDC, adding the total stood at 10,450 cases.

The death toll rose by seven to 211, it said.

The city of Daegu, which endured the first large coronavirus outbreak outside of China, reported zero new cases for the first time since late February.

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Fuck....



This also puts into further question all of China's reported data.

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:43 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:59 am

Mjl wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:56 am

Didn't Fauci just say yesterday that antibody tests will start to become available soon? As in, they aren't currently.

It is becoming increasingly obvious that Dr. Fauci is controlled/paid by people who don't necessarily have the best interests of the people of the United States in mind. He lays out the worst case scenario as fact and then walks it back a few days later with the caveat that it will probably end up being the worst case scenario after all.

Or he readjusts his opinion when given new or additional information a few days later.

OK, assuming that is true, how is it different from what the POTUS does?

Feral wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:18 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:59 am

Mjl wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:56 am

Didn't Fauci just say yesterday that antibody tests will start to become available soon? As in, they aren't currently.

It is becoming increasingly obvious that Dr. Fauci is controlled/paid by people who don't necessarily have the best interests of the people of the United States in mind. He lays out the worst case scenario as fact and then walks it back a few days later with the caveat that it will probably end up being the worst case scenario after all.

Right, as opposed to Donald Trump, a serial liar who acts out his malignant narcissism multiple times a day right before our eyes.

You must be one hell of a diagnostician.

Sorry, I don't buy everything that is shoveled at me packaged as truth.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:53 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:47 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:12 am Like, what in the FUCK is this headline trying to do:

When will the coronavirus curve flatten in the KC area? So far, numbers keep growing

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/a ... gnews_main

We're not even in the fight yet.

talk on the local news here this morning that today might be SLC’s peak, based on modeling done at U of U.

i’m doubtful

Those of us in second- and third-tier cities (like KC and SLC) certainly hope that the modeling was flawed in that significant population centers (like ours) started behaving correctly in what amounts to a two- to three-week head start as compared with first-line cities.

yes indeed

i think SLC took off before KC (not surprising). what i’m finding most interesting is death rate by state. i watch the Johns Hopkins page (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html) which isn’t necessarily the most up-to-date, and it’s interesting to look at the state-by-state data. utah’s # of deaths is far lower than other states with a similar number of overall cases. i find this kinda surprising given the issues with air quality that we’ve got

Feral wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:15 pm It would be good to know the answer to these questions before we start trying to resume life as normal:

APRIL 10, 2020 / 7:25 AM / UPDATED 3 HOURS AGO South Korea reports recovered coronavirus patients testing positive again

South Korean officials on Friday reported 91 patients thought cleared of the new coronavirus had tested positive again.

Jeong Eun-kyeong, director of the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC), told a briefing that the virus may have been “reactivated” rather than the patients being re-infected.
.......
The KCDC’s Jeong raised the possibility that rather than patients being re-infected, the virus may have been “reactivated”.

Kim also said patients had likely “relapsed” rather than been re-infected.
[...]

Is this typical virus behavior? Or typical of this category of viruses?

Fauci: Coronavirus immunity cards for Americans are 'being discussed'

The proposal, already being implemented by German researchers, is under consideration in the United Kingdom and Italy.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, revealed Friday the federal government is considering issuing Americans certificates of immunity from the coronavirus, as the Trump administration works to better identify those who have been infected and restart the U.S. economy in the coming weeks.

"You know, that's possible," Fauci told CNN's "New Day," when asked whether he could imagine a time when people across the country carry such forms of identification.

"I mean, it's one of those things that we talk about when we want to make sure that we know who the vulnerable people are and not," he said. "This is something that's being discussed. I think it might actually have some merit, under certain circumstances."

The proposal is contingent upon the widespread deployment of antibody tests which the National Institutes of Health and the Food and Drug Administration are in the process of validating in the the U.S., Fauci said.

"Within a period of a week or so, we're going to have a rather large number of tests that are available" to the public, he added.

[...]

I don't like it.

If you think there's a covid wealth divide, this will exacerbate it.

seahawk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:41 pm

Feral wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:15 pm It would be good to know the answer to these questions before we start trying to resume life as normal:

APRIL 10, 2020 / 7:25 AM / UPDATED 3 HOURS AGO South Korea reports recovered coronavirus patients testing positive again

South Korean officials on Friday reported 91 patients thought cleared of the new coronavirus had tested positive again.

Jeong Eun-kyeong, director of the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC), told a briefing that the virus may have been “reactivated” rather than the patients being re-infected.
.......
The KCDC’s Jeong raised the possibility that rather than patients being re-infected, the virus may have been “reactivated”.

Kim also said patients had likely “relapsed” rather than been re-infected.
[...]

Is this typical virus behavior? Or typical of this category of viruses?

Good questions. Certainly Herpes Zoster which causes chicken pox can lie dormant for years and then reactivate and come back as shingles. And Herpes Simplex viruses 1 & 2 that cause cold sores and genital herpes, respectively, come and go, but not that much is known about SARS-CoV-2, yet.

Scientists Working To Understand Immunity To Novel Coronavirus, Whether Patients’ Infections Can ‘Reactivate’

What Immunity to COVID-19 Really Means

“…At this early stage of understanding the new coronavirus, it is unclear where COVID-19 falls on the immunity spectrum. Although most people with SARS-CoV-2 seem to produce antibodies, ‘we simply don’t know yet what it takes to be effectively protected from this infection,’ says Dawn Bowdish, a professor of pathology and molecular medicine and Canada Research Chair in Aging and Immunity at McMaster University in Ontario. Researchers are scrambling to answer two questions: How long do SARS-CoV-2 antibodies stick around? And do they protect against reinfection?…” (McKenna, 4/10).

Feral wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:43 pm Fauci: Coronavirus immunity cards for Americans are 'being discussed'

The proposal, already being implemented by German researchers, is under consideration in the United Kingdom and Italy.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, revealed Friday the federal government is considering issuing Americans certificates of immunity from the coronavirus, as the Trump administration works to better identify those who have been infected and restart the U.S. economy in the coming weeks.

"You know, that's possible," Fauci told CNN's "New Day," when asked whether he could imagine a time when people across the country carry such forms of identification.

"I mean, it's one of those things that we talk about when we want to make sure that we know who the vulnerable people are and not," he said. "This is something that's being discussed. I think it might actually have some merit, under certain circumstances."

The proposal is contingent upon the widespread deployment of antibody tests which the National Institutes of Health and the Food and Drug Administration are in the process of validating in the the U.S., Fauci said.

"Within a period of a week or so, we're going to have a rather large number of tests that are available" to the public, he added.

[...]

jfc

that’s some cart before the horse kinda shit right there

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:50 pm I don't like it.

If you think there's a covid wealth divide, this will exacerbate it.

^^^

The government needs to step up big with widespread free testing and treatment, and unemployment benefits so people who aren't immune are not incentivized to break the rules and work before it's safe.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:00 pm

Feral wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:43 pm Fauci: Coronavirus immunity cards for Americans are 'being discussed'

The proposal, already being implemented by German researchers, is under consideration in the United Kingdom and Italy.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, revealed Friday the federal government is considering issuing Americans certificates of immunity from the coronavirus, as the Trump administration works to better identify those who have been infected and restart the U.S. economy in the coming weeks.

"You know, that's possible," Fauci told CNN's "New Day," when asked whether he could imagine a time when people across the country carry such forms of identification.

"I mean, it's one of those things that we talk about when we want to make sure that we know who the vulnerable people are and not," he said. "This is something that's being discussed. I think it might actually have some merit, under certain circumstances."

The proposal is contingent upon the widespread deployment of antibody tests which the National Institutes of Health and the Food and Drug Administration are in the process of validating in the the U.S., Fauci said.

"Within a period of a week or so, we're going to have a rather large number of tests that are available" to the public, he added.

[...]

jfc

that’s some cart before the horse kinda shit right there

When you're trying to placate Dr. Trump on the one hand and keep the HouseDivideds of the world from losing it and going all anarchy and making the pandemic worse on the other, holding up a penlight at the end of the tunnel, wherever that is, might be prudent.

I know they want to help the vulnerable (uninfected), but this would put a lot of them in a very vulnerable spot economically.

And that's even if it's done fairly and efficiently, which I doubt.

Feral wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:06 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:00 pm

Feral wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:43 pm Fauci: Coronavirus immunity cards for Americans are 'being discussed'

The proposal, already being implemented by German researchers, is under consideration in the United Kingdom and Italy.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, revealed Friday the federal government is considering issuing Americans certificates of immunity from the coronavirus, as the Trump administration works to better identify those who have been infected and restart the U.S. economy in the coming weeks.

"You know, that's possible," Fauci told CNN's "New Day," when asked whether he could imagine a time when people across the country carry such forms of identification.

"I mean, it's one of those things that we talk about when we want to make sure that we know who the vulnerable people are and not," he said. "This is something that's being discussed. I think it might actually have some merit, under certain circumstances."

The proposal is contingent upon the widespread deployment of antibody tests which the National Institutes of Health and the Food and Drug Administration are in the process of validating in the the U.S., Fauci said.

"Within a period of a week or so, we're going to have a rather large number of tests that are available" to the public, he added.

[...]

jfc

that’s some cart before the horse kinda shit right there

When you're trying to placate Dr. Trump on the one hand and keep the HouseDivideds of the world from losing it and going all anarchy and making the pandemic worse on the other, holding up a penlight at the end of the tunnel, wherever that is, might be prudent.

No need to worry, folks. We’ll have a vaccine in the next 18 months. In the meantime, enjoy hunger, hyperinflation, isolation, and the assurance that, even after we let you out of your cages, there won’t be jobs to go back to.

Why the long faces? Are you all that stupid and ungrateful?

YT,

The country’s elite powerbrokers

Yeah, the idiots who went ahead and went to spring break or Mardi Gras will have an employability advantage over folks who followed the rules.

Feral wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:01 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:50 pm I don't like it.

If you think there's a covid wealth divide, this will exacerbate it.

^^^

The government needs to step up big with widespread free testing and treatment, and unemployment benefits so people who aren't immune are not incentivized to break the rules and work before it's safe.

I don't know if there are any epidemiologists on this board but we have some smart people who work in somewhat overlapping fields or may have had coffee with (or slept with ) one. I was wondering about the lack of available test kits and had a thought about something the blood banks used to do during the early days of AIDS. Would "pooled testing" work in this case? For those who are not familiar with this concept (or know of it by another name) this is the way it works. It's not unlike the puzzle where you have a 1000 coins and one is defective and all you have is a two-pan balance; you are asked to find the defective one with a minimum number of weighings.

You combine a certain number of samples, let's say 25, and subject it to the test. If it tests negative then you haven't wasted 25 kits testing each one individually. If it tests positive you use this combinatorial matrix (some kid back in the day wrote an alogrithm for this) and combine subset of samples in a particular way and then test those. Typically you aliquot the samples initially so that you don't have to go back to the original samples. You then test these and based on the results of which subsamples come out positive you then run the deconvolution program and test a few final samples to determine the actual positives. These can be turned around quickly and will use a lot fewer test kits. The statistics of how many to pool etc are quite straightforward (for epidemiologists) and there can be a very high throughput. We use this in many other areas where quick yes/no answers are needed in short period and efficiently.

Granted that you will have to have a large sample size available simultaneously for this to work, but I believe that we are already there.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:12 pm I know they want to help the vulnerable (uninfected), but this would put a lot of them in a very vulnerable spot economically.

And that's even if it's done fairly and efficiently, which I doubt.

none of that matters at this point

it can’t even be done practically because of the level of testing

my wife and i can’t get tested, even though she’s mildly symptomatic and we’ve got two co-workers that are positive

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:26 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:12 pm I know they want to help the vulnerable (uninfected), but this would put a lot of them in a very vulnerable spot economically.

And that's even if it's done fairly and efficiently, which I doubt.

none of that matters at this point

it can’t even be done practically because of the level of testing

my wife and i can’t get tested, even though she’s mildly symptomatic and we’ve got two co-workers that are positive

If you were rich or famous you could get one.